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Covid 19 virus
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 20, 2020, 09:29:03 pm ---COVID-19 doesn't seem to affect healthy people on a significant scale. Younger healthy people don't fall very ill or have something which looks a lot like a regular flu with a nasty cough.
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That doesn't agree with the actual facts. The 30 year old age bracket is seeing a hospitalization rate (regular beds, not ICU) at least 10 times that of a regular flu season (Covid-19 hospitalization rate 20-29 yrs 1.2%, 30-39 years 3.2%). I think that requiring hospitalization qualifies as falling very ill.Furthermore 5% of those hospitalized age 20-29 will require ICU treatment. I've gone 60 years without needing to be hospitalized for any flu, or other infection and I'm a bloody asthmatic - prime fodder for a hospital bed and I've had regular seasonal flu several times. This is not your regular flu, it is considerably more serious and is hospitalizing people who would normally shrug off a seasonal dose of flu with a week off work at home.
rdl:
In 1998 I came down with something, probably some variety of flu, that was very bad. For 3 days I could barely breath or get out of bed. I dreaded needing to pee. I was a 2+ pack a day smoker. On the fourth day it seemed to break. I woke up feeling a lot better. I could get up and walk around okay. Of course, not having had a cigarette in days, one of the first things I did was go out on the balcony for a smoke. The first drag nearly killed me. I literally fell to the ground gasping for breath. I never smoked again.
iMo:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 20, 2020, 09:54:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sredni on March 20, 2020, 09:38:48 pm ---Look at the silver lining.
If you catch it, you would not die of it. You will be registered as "dead due to pre-existing conditions".
Because that's the line of reasoning in the countries that are still in denial.
As a side note, the US is gonna see a spike in deaths for obesity.
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I'm not trying to contradict what you say, but I'm striking out when I look for exact definitions. I find reports phrased in the style of "the majority of COVID-19 deaths are tied to pre-existing conditions" which suggests those are counted. Can you point me in the direction of sources which show otherwise?
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When you look at the recent Italian statistics on fatalities I posted above you may see the covid19 does not kill you actually, but those "pre-existing conditions".. There is a detailed list with % in Italy as of March 17th.
Deaths without any PECs are rare actually.
Obesity usually implies diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular, respiratory, etc. all those are mentioned in that report as the killers.
PS: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/covid-19-virus/msg2972926/#msg2972926
nctnico:
--- Quote from: imo on March 20, 2020, 10:03:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 20, 2020, 09:54:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sredni on March 20, 2020, 09:38:48 pm ---Look at the silver lining.
If you catch it, you would not die of it. You will be registered as "dead due to pre-existing conditions".
Because that's the line of reasoning in the countries that are still in denial.
As a side note, the US is gonna see a spike in deaths for obesity.
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I'm not trying to contradict what you say, but I'm striking out when I look for exact definitions. I find reports phrased in the style of "the majority of COVID-19 deaths are tied to pre-existing conditions" which suggests those are counted. Can you point me in the direction of sources which show otherwise?
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When you look at the recent Italian statistics on fatalities I posted above you may see the covid19 does not kill you actually, but those "pre-existing conditions".. There is a detailed list with % in Italy as of March 17th.
Deaths without any PECs are rare actually.
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But now you are entering a semantic discussion which can be halted very simply by asking: how long would those people have lived if they didn't got infected with Covid19?
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 20, 2020, 10:00:11 pm ---That doesn't agree with the actual facts. The 30 year old age bracket is seeing a hospitalization rate (regular beds, not ICU) at least 10 times that of a regular flu season (Covid-19 hospitalization rate 20-29 yrs 1.2%, 30-39 years 3.2%). I think that requiring hospitalization qualifies as falling very ill.Furthermore 5% of those hospitalized age 20-29 will require ICU treatment. I've gone 60 years without needing to be hospitalized for any flu, or other infection and I'm a bloody asthmatic - prime fodder for a hospital bed and I've had regular seasonal flu several times. This is not your regular flu, it is considerably more serious and is hospitalizing people who would normally shrug off a seasonal dose of flu with a week off work at home.
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Equating hospitalization for flu and Covid is likely to lead to skewed results. People are used to flu but extreme caution was and is taken with Covid. Add to that the likely large number of unreported cases and the hospitalization rate becomes a very loose number. We'll likely learn more about the actual rates or at least better estimates when thing have calmed down and things are looked at more carefully.
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