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Covid 19 virus
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: Sredni on March 20, 2020, 11:51:49 pm ---Others have pointed out the distinction made by the Italian statistics, but let me add that even in today's conference by the "Protezione Civile", Roberto Bernabei, specialist in geriatry, said that of the first 355 clinical documentations analyzed resulted that "only 3 patients died FOR coronavirus", all the others dies WITH coronavirus. I mean, I understand when they did that pantomime the first and second week, to try sugarcoat the pill, but now...
A member of the press asked why there is such a big difference in mortality (or letality - it's the press) between Italy and Germany and the answer was on the line of 'we don't know how these deaths are classified". Now, it's possible the the German had small clusters promptly identified and isolated and that extensive testing of nonsymptomatic patients is keeping the count down, but back in february when Italy had run 20 thousand tests, only 2000 were positive. Where were all those asymptomatic ninjas?
Also, do you believe Iran is giving the right number of deaths?
But, aside from this, my point is that it's the media that is making this distinction, namely that you don't die of Covid-19. You die of other illnesses and covid-19 just give old farts with a foot in the grave the coup-de-grace.
And you can see this is the message that goes to the masses and is surfacing in this very forum as well.
It kills old people with preexisting conditions.
WHOOOOOO, SPRING BREAK!!! LET'S PARTYYYYYYEEEEAHHHHHHH!!!
Let me ask you something: how many people over sixty has a preexisting condition that can result in death from covid-19?
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The worldometer website at the time om writing reports 4032 deaths. Are you saying these are exclusively healthy people with no pre-existing conditions and that when those are included the number is much higher?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 20, 2020, 11:34:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 20, 2020, 11:18:55 pm --- Buses are modern and the passengers all have high end phones, taking photos of the benign scenery. New China TV is owned by the notorious government news agency Xinhua. The video is propaganda :bullshit:.
The first casualty of war is the truth.
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Probably. One of my thoughts is: why would they build new hospitals in China when they could just as easely have emptied a hotel or office building? If you look at the construction videos you notice that the prefab buildings they erected are just office buildings. Something is not right.
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Having been involved in building and electrical work in hospitals may years ago I know that a lot of specification goes on that you wouldn't see in commercial premises. Are surfaces easily sterilized, can electrical outlets be sterilized. Anything that can trap dust is a no no - there are brackets for electrical conduit know in the trade as 'hospital brackets' that stand proud enough from surfaces that the conduit can be cleaned all around. And so on, and so on.
On the other hand, if there's anybody who thinks that the Chinese Government is going to pass up any propaganda opportunities that present themselves, that they are not going to exaggerate and put the best face on everything they possibly can is woefully naïve. That said, don't think that Voice of America or other western propaganda channels would behave in any more saintly manner.
Sredni:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 20, 2020, 11:59:57 pm ---The worldometer website at the time om writing reports 4032 deaths. Are you saying these are exclusively healthy people with no pre-existing conditions and that when those are included the number is much higher?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
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You clearly did not understand anything of what I wrote.
I am just curious: do you happen to own a red baseball hat?
At any rate, what you clearly do not understand is that who should worry of being at risk of dying is not the average citizen (because of the 3.4% lethality, or let's say 1%), but the Country's health systems (for which the lethality is 20%).
Electro Detective:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 20, 2020, 11:39:41 pm ---We have been told by doctors here masks worn by the public do nothing unless the wearer has the virus. I went shopping yesterday in a shopping centre, and except for one westerner the only people wearing marks were Chinese.
Maybe we have been fed :bullshit: by our government too because they did not want a run on masks.
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They probably don't want a run on any sort of public hard 'thinking' either,
especially how they are researching, verifying and handling things ???
It's the same here too in Melbourne/MelboRRRne CBD and beyond.
Just about 100% 99% of anyone that looks/is chinese are masked,
most pulling/pushing on wheeled luggage to who knows where.. or why :-//
yet NO ONE else bothers with masks, nor battles with luggage on lumpy bitumen :D
afaict: the non mask wearers sort of 'look' happier, maybe because they're not breathing back their own bad breath?
--- Quote from: Muttley Snickers on March 20, 2020, 10:48:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on March 20, 2020, 09:58:18 pm ---Yea, people crowding into shops are just stupid. I will be wearing a P2 dust mask next time and safety glasses if i have any in the house. i also have a couple of pairs of P3 filters on the way that had not sold out.
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I have a welding mask, leather gloves, gum boots and an oil skin coat so might have to take the gas torch and flame nozzle as well to keep those sicko's at a safe distance. >:D
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Spray some Glen20 first to sanitize the area and help pump along the torch flames too >:D
Try not to cook any slabs of dunny paper the fleeing hoarder idiots drop,
to cover your torch gas expense, time and effort :-+
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 20, 2020, 08:18:58 pm ---
One intriguing point is the fact children seem not to be affected by this virus - or so lightly that it goes unnoticed.
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They haven't had years of FEAR MONGERING pumped into them yet by TV, news, movies, poor education, 'end of the world' (again..?) gossip/rumors, generic ignorance etc
Give them time, they'll get there just like we did,
and like us they can choose whether to be civil and exercise concern and courtesy during a panic show,
or become low life 'look after #1' attitude dunny paper hoarders,
that only think about their own family's pampered rear ends
and kcuf everyone else
These are the weighty human trash a pressured captain should consider to toss overboard FIRST, to keep a sinking ship afloat longer :popcorn:
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Sredni on March 21, 2020, 12:10:12 am ---I am just curious: do you happen to own a red baseball hat?
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Now keep it civil, he's clearly not that deluded.
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