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Covid 19 virus
BravoV:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 21, 2020, 06:47:04 am ---of course that is also a form of propaganda, but medical staff exhaustion is over since days if not weeks as new cases have been lower and lower for a while
stop looking for evil plots
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Since you are using Italian flag, just curious as these are not covered mostly by western news agencies.
Is it true China have sent medical teams and also medical supplies to Italy to help ? Or its just another lie ?
flyte:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 20, 2020, 11:39:41 pm ---We have been told by doctors here masks worn by the public do nothing unless the wearer has the virus. I went shopping yesterday in a shopping centre, and except for one westerner the only people wearing marks were Chinese. Maybe we have been fed :bullshit: by our government too because they did not want a run on masks.
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It's not going to hurt you either and it may prevent the occasional contamination when you stand close to a sneezing person, for example. However, you have to realize that a mask is just that: a mask. If you keep 1m-1.5m distances at all times and no contact, it won't change much. You can easily get contaminated by so many other direct sources: touching people, public or shared things you touch, ATMs, shoes, etc. if somehow contamination makes it to your face, mouth, eyes or nose. So the real risk is there. If masks are available, sure, why not, but don't let it give you a false sense of security. Isolation and hygiene/disinfection are as important, if not more.
The problem is that when the whole population buys masks, the people really at very high risk like the healthcare workers may run out of supplies. This is what happened in Belgium, aside from a political mistake with a masks order, and people were asked to bring all those masks to the hospitals and doctors. I've handed over 10 FFP3 which I've had left for technical purposes, to doctors, and they were very happy with it. But yes, it's sad they have to come and beg the population instead of prepare properly. As one doctor here said, the CoVid-19 is more of a big logistics problem than a medical one, even though pulmonary specialists said what they saw on medical images really worried them more and more. But due to failing logistics, the problem eventually becomes medical.
This is what an Italian doctor has written to media and colleagues. He also made a video on his IC unit, which I will not post here due to the graphic images it contains. I share pain with the Italian people. Italy has suffered more than 600 deaths in the last 24 hrs.
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It’s a nightmare. It really feels like being in a war field. Just today 4 patients died in my unit. Patients are continuously transferred to the critical area of the crisis unit or to the intensive care unit.
Dozens of patients arrive from the ER and you put them in the empty beds that you’ve just cleared with the transfers, in the best option. The suspected COVID19 patients are allocated right away with the frankly positive patients because you don't really have the chance, resources or the time to run the test or wait for its result.
The patients that die are put in horrible black bags and brought immediately to the obituary. From the obituary they're sent right away to the crematorium. It all happens under the eyes of the other perfectly awake COVID19 patients who are still breathing with some respiratory support. These patients are forced to witness what might happen to them within few hours because there are no curtains to pull to avoid this psychological torture. COVID19 patients die alone and they see it coming with fierce rawness.
At the end of the shift you have to call the families and give them an update, too often it's a notice of where they might find the ashes of their beloved ones. It's excruciating.
I never thought I'd have to live through something like this. I feel lost, I'm terrified.
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I hope this is enough for some to take this extremely seriously. Maybe not all reports make it to the other side of the globe, but this is real.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 20, 2020, 09:28:34 pm ---This will be an interesting walk on the razors edge. If we suppress the spread too much, we'll likely have a second wave in autumn and winter again. I don't think we'll have a vaccine by that time...
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I fail to see the problem here. If or when the second wave comes, the society has already learnt how to suppress it. People have had months of time to carefully build their own stock of food to reduce unnecessary shopping. People have already set up connections for remote work. Everything's set. Yes, it's uncomfortable, again, but less than before. Each new wave is easier than the previous ones. And what's best, each wave has its peak regulated not to severely exceed the capacity of ICUs.
There still isn't second wave in China. I fail to see how you could suppress the spread "too much"; fairly theoretical extreme. The opposite, suppressing too little seems to be an actual problem.
Electro Detective:
Doctors practices and their receptionists EVERYWHERE here have been deluged and bombarded constantly by closet hypochondriac IDIOTS on the phone, and popping up in person without appointments,
thinking their usual ailments may have mutated into corona symptoms,
and DEMAND miracles, forcing overstressed staff to resort to sweet talk to get them out the door ASAP,
and back home in front of their satellite pumped TVs again, freaking out at the 24/7 internationale scare tactic news reports :scared: :bullshit: :scared:
I'll bet these losers and their relatives are the majority of dunny paper hoarders too >:(
Selfish idiots like that can't leave this Earth soon enough.. :phew:
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 21, 2020, 10:28:47 am ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 20, 2020, 09:28:34 pm ---This will be an interesting walk on the razors edge. If we suppress the spread too much, we'll likely have a second wave in autumn and winter again. I don't think we'll have a vaccine by that time...
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I fail to see the problem here. If or when the second wave comes, the society has already learnt how to suppress it. People have had months of time to carefully build their own stock of food to reduce unnecessary shopping. People have already set up connections for remote work. Everything's set. Yes, it's uncomfortable, again, but less than before. Each new wave is easier than the previous ones. And what's best, each wave has its peak regulated not to severely exceed the capacity of ICUs.
There still isn't second wave in China. I fail to see how you could suppress the spread "too much"; fairly theoretical extreme. The opposite, suppressing too little seems to be an actual problem.
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I think we have to watch what happens in China and Korea (I trust the numbers from the latter most) to see what happens to the number of deaths. It seems Korea is moving towards a flattened curve but it will take another week before you can reach a solid conclusion.
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