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Kilrah:
Great video from Kurzgesagt as usual:

Siwastaja:
First death in Finland (as of yesterday).

The attachment shows new identified infections (i.e., delta to the previous day). Guess when the limitations in testing started ::).

GlennSprigg:
An Australian woman stuck in Italy, made this most apt comment!!!...
(Regarding the elderly in nursing homes etc)

Our elderly parents & grandparents went to war overseas in trenches, fighting for us.
All 'WE' have to do at the moment, is stay with our arses on the Lounge, to protect them!! 8)

drussell:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 21, 2020, 10:28:47 am ---I fail to see the problem here. If or when the second wave comes, the society has already learnt how to suppress it. People have had months of time to carefully build their own stock of food to reduce unnecessary shopping. People have already set up connections for remote work. Everything's set. Yes, it's uncomfortable, again, but less than before. Each new wave is easier than the previous ones. And what's best, each wave has its peak regulated not to severely exceed the capacity of ICUs.
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Except for follow-on effects, like everyone else that has jobs that you can't "do from home" is screwed again (or still) with many businesses simply unable to continue and closing permanently.  The carnage left in it's wake will be far, far worse than the virus itself causes health-wise.


--- Quote ---There still isn't second wave in China. I fail to see how you could suppress the spread "too much"; fairly theoretical extreme. The opposite, suppressing too little seems to be an actual problem.
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Indeed.

The reason China has the transmission down to 0 is they haven't really even started lifting most restrictions.  Most people in the most highly affected areas are still under total lockdown.

drussell:

--- Quote from: flyte on March 21, 2020, 10:13:28 am ---The problem is that when the whole population buys masks, the people really at very high risk like the healthcare workers may run out of supplies.
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This!

I'm quite certain that if there were actually an abundant supply of masks, most public health officials would be advising that everyone wear one.  This is not so much for the wearer to prevent becoming infected, rather to help curtail the spread from those that may not even know they're spreading it.

Public health officials here are correct, in that we really all should be acting like we each already have the virus when interacting with others to help limit the spread from those without obvious symptoms.

I found it very striking that one of the first things that the Dr. from the Chinese Red Cross team that is in Italy now to help give guidance to the government said in his statement was basically, "You're doing this all wrong!  You're not restricting people nearly enough!  Your mass transit is still running!  Why is everyone not wearing masks?!"

Edit: Found the actual quote:
--- Quote ---Chinese Red Cross Vice President Sun Shuopeng warned Italians that they were risking lives by not adhering to the novel coronavirus lockdown. He made the comments after visiting Milan in the hardest-hit region of Italy, which has recorded 41,035 cases and 3,405 deaths. “Here in Milan, the hardest-hit area by COVID-19, the lockdown measures are very lax,” the veteran of the Wuhan epidemic fight said Thursday. “I can see public transport is still running, people are still moving around, having gatherings in hotels and they are not wearing masks.” Sun warned that the resistance to the lockdown will prove deadly. “I don’t know what people here are thinking. We really have to stop our usual economic activities and our usual human interactions. We have to stay at home and make every effort to save lives. It is worth putting every cost we have into saving lives.”
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