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nctnico:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 21, 2020, 12:03:25 am ---
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--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 20, 2020, 11:18:55 pm --- Buses are modern and the passengers all have high end phones, taking photos of the benign scenery. New China TV is owned by the notorious government news agency Xinhua. The video is propaganda :bullshit:.

The first casualty of war is the truth.

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Probably. One of my thoughts is: why would they build new hospitals in China when they could just as easely have emptied a hotel or office building? If you look at the construction videos you notice that the prefab buildings they erected are just office buildings. Something is not right.

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Having been involved in building and electrical work in hospitals may years ago I know that a lot of specification goes on that you wouldn't see in commercial premises. Are surfaces easily sterilized, can electrical outlets be sterilized. Anything that can trap dust is a no no - there are brackets for electrical conduit know in the trade as 'hospital brackets' that stand proud enough from surfaces that the conduit can be cleaned all around. And so on, and so on.

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For a permanent hospital those are obvious requirements. In case of emergency anything goes. I just read some news articles that hotels and dorm rooms are being converted into temporary hospitals. In the Netherlands they moved the maternity department of a hospital to a hotel.
Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: nctnico on March 21, 2020, 04:33:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 21, 2020, 12:03:25 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 20, 2020, 11:34:45 pm ---Probably. One of my thoughts is: why would they build new hospitals in China when they could just as easely have emptied a hotel or office building? If you look at the construction videos you notice that the prefab buildings they erected are just office buildings. Something is not right.

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Having been involved in building and electrical work in hospitals may years ago I know that a lot of specification goes on that you wouldn't see in commercial premises. Are surfaces easily sterilized, can electrical outlets be sterilized. Anything that can trap dust is a no no - there are brackets for electrical conduit know in the trade as 'hospital brackets' that stand proud enough from surfaces that the conduit can be cleaned all around. And so on, and so on.

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For a permanent hospital those are obvious requirements. In case of emergency anything goes. I just read some news articles that hotels and dorm rooms are being converted into temporary hospitals. In the Netherlands they moved the maternity department of a hospital to a hotel.

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If I understood correctly, the idea was that the Chinese predicted when the peak demand in intensive care is going to be, and being prepared early, they could build something which is inbetween a really proper hospital, and a makeshift temporary hospital converted from something else. The details matter, and you can get many details right (even if not all) when you have a week to design and another to build. If you are super efficient, at least.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: blueskull on March 21, 2020, 04:48:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 20, 2020, 11:18:55 pm ---Western doctors are saying masks do nothing unless you are already infected. But these Chinese doctors all are wearing masks, most of them cheapo surgical masks, not P95's.

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What makes the West correct?

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As I said in another post, this is indeed bullshit, mainly motivated by the fact we just don't have enough masks for everyone. The only true fact is that basic surgical masks are ineffective to protect oneself, and only effective to protect others. Which is already better than nothing if you have to get out, at least to protect others just in case (let's remind everyone that you may carry the virus with absolutely no symptom, which is the worst case as no one can guess)... But FFP2 masks are known to be effective (at least for 3 to 4 hours.)

That was what was also said in France until a couple days ago where officials were forced to admit that there was a very severe shortage of masks (due to a series of past decisions) and that we would do anything we can from now on to correct the situation. I appreciate they admitted it.
mzzj:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 21, 2020, 03:16:00 pm ---
I think the higher smoking rate in Chinese men was probably most likely to blame for the higher death rate in males. I don't have any definite statistics but I believe the sex ratio of smokers in my age group in the UK is opposite: more females, than male smokers. If I cast my mind back to when I was 15, more of the girls at school smoked, than the boys. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the UK.

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Read somewhere that so far the muslim population in UK has been hit hardest. Like 10x infections  or something.
Extended families with grandparents living under the same roof and eating habits like sharing the same plate of food among family members.
vodka:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 21, 2020, 04:23:23 pm ---the Czech Republic has seized thousands of masks sent from China to Italy


--- Quote ---"The official version with the first releases said at the beginning that it dealt with masks and respirators confiscated, talking about material stolen from Czech companies by unscrupulous criminals who wanted to sell them at higher cost on the international market, challenging the strict limits on medical exports imposed in Czechia as elsewhere by the emergency ". But then there appeared photos and videos shown by Cervinka and the democratic and pro-European NGOs, who made it clear the bad truth. On board of police trucks there were boxes with the Chinese and Italian flags, and written in Italian and Mandarin in which the Beijing authorities launched greetings, encouragement and desire for help to Italy.

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they say: true friends are seen in times of need... it looks like that is true also for foes
it looks like we should kick a few countries off EU

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If the Czeck goverment turn themselves in "Red Gorilla" with the motto "Expropiese",worse for them. An advise,here, the "Front Popular goverment" are doing confiscations the masks and other medical items. Sellers and distribuitors don't want import any  medical item to Spain by fearing to confiscation.

https://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elconfidencial.com%2Fmundo%2Feuropa%2F2020-03-18%2Fmascarillas-coronavirus-covid-19-china-espana_2503191%2F

https://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.diaridetarragona.com%2Feconomia%2FSuspenden-un-pedido-de-mascarillas-en-Alcover-a-causa-de-las-incautaciones-20200320-0002.html

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