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Covid 19 virus
not1xor1:
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--- Quote from: flyte on March 21, 2020, 10:13:28 am ---The problem is that when the whole population buys masks, the people really at very high risk like the healthcare workers may run out of supplies.
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This!
I'm quite certain that if there were actually an abundant supply of masks, most public health officials would be advising that everyone wear one. This is not so much for the wearer to prevent becoming infected, rather to help curtail the spread from those that may not even know they're spreading it.
Public health officials here are correct, in that we really all should be acting like we each already have the virus when interacting with others to help limit the spread from those without obvious symptoms.
I found it very striking that one of the first things that the Dr. from the Chinese Red Cross team that is in Italy now to help give guidance to the government said in his statement was basically, "You're doing this all wrong! You're not restricting people nearly enough! Your mass transit is still running! Why is everyone not wearing masks?!"
Edit: Found the actual quote:
--- Quote ---Chinese Red Cross Vice President Sun Shuopeng warned Italians that they were risking lives by not adhering to the novel coronavirus lockdown. He made the comments after visiting Milan in the hardest-hit region of Italy, which has recorded 41,035 cases and 3,405 deaths. “Here in Milan, the hardest-hit area by COVID-19, the lockdown measures are very lax,” the veteran of the Wuhan epidemic fight said Thursday. “I can see public transport is still running, people are still moving around, having gatherings in hotels and they are not wearing masks.” Sun warned that the resistance to the lockdown will prove deadly. “I don’t know what people here are thinking. We really have to stop our usual economic activities and our usual human interactions. We have to stay at home and make every effort to save lives. It is worth putting every cost we have into saving lives.”
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I fully agree with Dr Sun Shuopeng, unfortunately it is next to impossible to make those assholes understand that the sooner and the stricter they quarantine themselves we quarantine ourselves the sooner the problem will be over (or at least will be made much more manageable)
many of those complains they are fed up to stay at home, they want to go out jogging and so on
during the last two weeks I got out just twice to buy food and medicines and while I saw much less people than usual there were still to many idiots going around for no apparent reason and behaving as fools (e.g. taking off the mask and smoking a cigarette)
iMo:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 21, 2020, 07:11:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: BravoV on March 21, 2020, 09:57:33 am ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 21, 2020, 06:47:04 am ---of course that is also a form of propaganda, but medical staff exhaustion is over since days if not weeks as new cases have been lower and lower for a while
stop looking for evil plots
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Since you are using Italian flag, just curious as these are not covered mostly by western news agencies.
Is it true China have sent medical teams and also medical supplies to Italy to help ? Or its just another lie ?
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no that's true, and they have criticized Italian people because just still too many of them do not abide by the quarantine rules
they have also sent a lot of supplies a huge part of with has been stolen by the asshole who rule the Czech republic
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@not1xor1: plz be so kind and stop writing BULLSHIT.
Read again below, there is the link to the China's/CZ's statement on it.
Btw, the masks were not intended for Italian people..
--- Quote from: imo on March 21, 2020, 06:12:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 21, 2020, 04:23:23 pm ---the Czech Republic has seized thousands of masks sent from China to Italy
--- Quote ---"The official version with the first releases said at the beginning that it dealt with masks and respirators confiscated, talking about material stolen from Czech companies by unscrupulous criminals who wanted to sell them at higher cost on the international market, challenging the strict limits on medical exports imposed in Czechia as elsewhere by the emergency ". But then there appeared photos and videos shown by Cervinka and the democratic and pro-European NGOs, who made it clear the bad truth. On board of police trucks there were boxes with the Chinese and Italian flags, and written in Italian and Mandarin in which the Beijing authorities launched greetings, encouragement and desire for help to Italy.
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they say: true friends are seen in times of need... it looks like that is true also for foes
it looks like we should kick a few countries off EU
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Few days back a seller offered masks to CZ Ministry of Health for an unusually high price, stocked in CZ. Ministry declined and informed police.
Police seized the complete stock of 680k masks according to the current "CZ law in state of emergency" and the Ministry paid the seller the usual price.
Police investigated the case and found out 101k masks from that stock were a donation from the Red Cross of Qingtian City of China's Zhejiang province to Chinese expatriates in Italy.
CZ and Zhejiang province is organizing the replacement.
http://www.china.org.cn/world/2020-03/21/content_75842056.htm
Edit: typos
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DrG:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 21, 2020, 07:09:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: vodka on March 21, 2020, 06:46:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: blueskull on March 21, 2020, 04:48:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 20, 2020, 11:18:55 pm ---Western doctors are saying masks do nothing unless you are already infected. But these Chinese doctors all are wearing masks, most of them cheapo surgical masks, not P95's.
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What makes the West correct?
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To make like Spiriman: Jesus Candel. When the threat was far, laught and without giving importance because the covid is seemd to the "cold" (no flu) . When the plague arrived and Spiriman is in the 1st frontline.
The balls put him by tie. And he began to scream,cry,gasp by youtube and TV about of dangerousnes of the covid. Furthermore, he had info about their italian mates.
Here,this is the video of the Joan Planas that teardown to hypocrit of Jesus Candel.
https://youtu.be/UxlwLaGHxQE
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You do realise that this makes no sense to anybody, don't you. Not the content, the language. I literally cannot even guess what you're trying to say. Are you using Google translate or something similar to post your messages? It just comes out as word salad.
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It doesn't help much, but I get the general idea.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/sevilla/20200320/474258630948/spiriman-medico-granada-susana-diaz-insultos-perfil-coronavirus.html&prev=search
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 21, 2020, 03:16:00 pm ---I think the higher smoking rate in Chinese men was probably most likely to blame for the higher death rate in males. I don't have any definite statistics but I believe the sex ratio of smokers in my age group in the UK is opposite: more females, than male smokers. If I cast my mind back to when I was 15, more of the girls at school smoked, than the boys. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the UK.
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yes
look at the statistics somebody (sorry I do not remember who) else linked a few messages ago
the sex smoke difference in China is huge compared to that of UK and many other countries
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 21, 2020, 04:45:14 pm ---If I understood correctly, the idea was that the Chinese predicted when the peak demand in intensive care is going to be, and being prepared early, they could build something which is inbetween a really proper hospital, and a makeshift temporary hospital converted from something else. The details matter, and you can get many details right (even if not all) when you have a week to design and another to build. If you are super efficient, at least.
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the truth is just: Chinese did it better :D
and as far as I've read, in Taiwan they managed to react pretty early too
well S.K. and Japan didn't manage that not so badly after all
but here in Europe, more or less, we just screwed up
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