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iMo:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 22, 2020, 12:51:31 pm ---The political situation in Finland is critical. Suddenly, the government has practically claimed victory, and the prime minister Sanna Marin is giving political interviews aimed at their voters, the main content is how well they handled (yes, in past tense!) the situation.
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World Happiness Report 2019 - Finland N1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report#2019_World_Happiness_Report
mzzj:
--- Quote from: drussell on March 22, 2020, 03:34:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 22, 2020, 12:51:31 pm ---The political situation in Finland is critical. Suddenly, the government has practically claimed victory, and the prime minister Sanna Marin is giving political interviews aimed at their voters, the main content is how well they handled (yes, in past tense!) the situation.
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Uh oh.... That is a very bad sign...
Didn't you guys just announce 103 new cases today?
At 626 total, that's a 15+% increase in one day.
Sure, let's lift restrictions, this thing is over. :palm:
Well handled, there, gov't!
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I'd take Siwastajas political views with a pinch.. no with a pint of salt. :-DD
Lots of things could have been done differently with a hindsight but so far the response in here hasn't been any worse than most of the countries with the Korea and Singapore being notable differences. China maybe also.
Siwastaja:
For the Finnish people, it has already become a tradition to be on the top of the World Happiness Record, it's considered important as a part of our public image. This is part of the "what does the elephant think of me?" mindset. Of course, such studies measure more the mindset of the people answerring to the questions, than actual reality, which is quite average. For some reason, North Korea is missing from the study; I'm sure they would get even better score out of it.
For the same reason, majority of the people have been happy about how the government is doing with regards to the corona virus, when asked by the media. Though, anybody who has any expertise, including people on the healthcare field, do not agree.
I think it was just yesterday that the PM Sanna Marin underlined the administration's role in the good result in the happiness record.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: mzzj on March 22, 2020, 03:45:54 pm ---Lots of things could have been done differently with a hindsight
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No, no and no. It's not hindsight. The advantage Finland has is that we are one of the last countries to face the epidemic; Sweden and Norway are a week, Italy and Spain over a month ahead of us. Our leaders almost literally can see in the future!
To you, laughing at "political views" may be fun. But this is a real crisis, not some "which party do we vote for" game. Look, my "political views" are not views, or opinions; I'm stating what is actually happening, maybe using words you wouldn't use, but in the end, reality is what matters.
All the decisions, including decisions not to take proper actions as recommended by WHO and other international expert organizations, and decision to reopen the schools, have been done with access to great amount of verified expert analysis and information, including directly seeing the results of the mistakes others have made. No hindsight there; we are talking about the current decisions as well, because, opposite to what you think, I don't think it's "game over" yet. (See South Korea; they were able to rectify the situation after it was already quite bad.)
You could forgive the Italian politicians quite a lot due to the fact that they were first in Europe to see the severity of the epidemic. The same is not true in Finland. We are coming last, and still repeating the same mistakes by others. Maybe the choices are not much worse than with many others; it's still a very bad excuse. We should be doing better. Now it's an undisputable fact that we are flying by luck.
The timeline is quite well documented by Iltalehti: https://www.iltalehti.fi/koronavirus/a/9932d022-e52f-4984-879b-bb231ad9c24d
magic:
Speaking of Italian decision making:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/18/europe/italy-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/
--- Quote ---He says the Italian government lagged at first. It was "lazy in the beginning... too much politics in Italy."
"There was a proposal to isolate people coming from the epicenter, coming from China," he said. "Then it became seen as racist, but they were people coming from the outbreak." That, he said, led to the current devastating situation.
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:-DD
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