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iMo:

--- Quote from: magic on March 22, 2020, 04:03:53 pm ---Speaking of Italian decision making:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/18/europe/italy-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/

--- Quote ---He says the Italian government lagged at first. It was "lazy in the beginning... too much politics in Italy."

"There was a proposal to isolate people coming from the epicenter, coming from China," he said. "Then it became seen as racist, but they were people coming from the outbreak." That, he said, led to the current devastating situation.
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It looks like the "political correctness" is the major killer in this pandemic..
 
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 22, 2020, 03:50:50 pm ---For the Finnish people, it has already become a tradition to be on the top of the World Happiness Record, it's considered important as a part of our public image. This is part of the "what does the elephant think of me?" mindset. Of course, such studies measure more the mindset of the people answerring to the questions, than actual reality, which is quite average.

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As "happiness" is entirely subjective, how can there be an "actual reality"? You mean, "I am miserable, therefore it (and everybody else) is wrong".

Welcome to the grumpy old men's club, the coffee's in the corner, beer's in the fridge, the "there's a small boy on the grass" alarm button is on the south wall. For god's sake don't sit in George's chair, we're still trying to get bits of Harri out of the log chipper.
DrG:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 22, 2020, 04:12:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 22, 2020, 03:50:50 pm ---For the Finnish people, it has already become a tradition to be on the top of the World Happiness Record, it's considered important as a part of our public image. This is part of the "what does the elephant think of me?" mindset. Of course, such studies measure more the mindset of the people answerring to the questions, than actual reality, which is quite average.

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As "happiness" is entirely subjective, how can there be an "actual reality"? You mean, "I am miserable, therefore it (and everybody else) is wrong".

Welcome to the grumpy old men's club, the coffee's in the corner, beer's in the fridge, the "there's a small boy on the grass" alarm button is on the south wall. For god's sake don't sit in George's chair, we're still trying to get bits of Harri out of the log chipper.

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Siwastaja:
mzzj's "hindsight" argument is, by the way, an absolute classic I have seen so many times:

(An expert:) This is urgent, we needed to do this two weeks ago!
(Decision-maker:) That's easy to say in hindsight, shut up.
(An expert:) OK, so you agree with me that it should be done, can we do that thing NOW?
(Decision-maker:) Oh, it's so easy to say in hindsight. We did our best.
(An expert:) OK, sure you did, but please, could we finally do it NOW?
(Decision-maker:) We are really doing our best, you know? You can't blame us.
(An expert:) OK, OK, whatever, not blaming anyone, just can we do it now?
(Decision-maker:) We are planning to do our best, and...

I did see the exact same mechanism destroy a promising business. I spoke up regularly from the beginning, but it was apparently always "in hindsight", hence unimplementable, until I finally left. In Finland we call this thing "selittelyvaihe" and I'm afraid we are seeing this going on by the authorities right now. Yes, I believe they will get hold of it at some point, but seeing this pattern for a few days right now is alarming. They need to get off this mindset sooner than later.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: DrG on March 22, 2020, 04:19:39 pm ---
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I think that's my elbow on the left...
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