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MadScientist:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on March 28, 2022, 05:28:14 am ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 27, 2022, 11:16:08 pm ---
--- Quote ---As for warranty extensions, they are almost pointless in countries with strong consumer laws.
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Kind of. If you buy of Aliexpress your local laws are irrelevant. Suppose you buy from the Amazon marketplace and the vendor is that same Aliexpress one, just advertising on Amazon. Which law applies?

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Australian Consumer Law applies to any company who sells a product or provides a service in Australia, regardless whether or not the company is based or headquartered in Australia. So yes, companies such as Aliexpress, Amazon etc... are still bound by the legislation here if they choose to offer their products for sale in Australia. They don't get to opt-out of their responsibilities just because they aren't in the country. If they want Australian customers, they must comply with our laws.

Also, resellers don't get away with it simply because they didn't manufacture the product. The seller is just as liable as the manufacturer. One cannot fob a customer off onto the other (that's illegal).

I've personally had an ACL claim against a US-based company in the past, which was ruled in my favour. Whilst the company didn't really get a legal "smack", it cost them a total refund + an additional 100% of the purchase cost at the time. That's money in my pocket for their stuff-up.

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Many larger countries have extra territorial laws   The EU has many. But the fact remains that the company unless it has a legal presence in the area is immune to any civil judgements.
Zipdox:
You do realize you can disable contactless payment through your bank? You can also change the PIN requirement threshold. At least with my bank.
kjpye:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 28, 2022, 10:45:44 am ---But technically they are not offering a service in Australia - you are going to their website in China and importing yourself. Further, what penalty can Australia action against Aliexpress? I guess they could stop any import from there, but that's a rather big stick for, say, a camera that broke after 3 months.

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They quote prices in Australian dollars, calculate prices for postage to Australia, and collect Australian GST, which they presumably transfer to the Australian Government. And the item I ordered on AliExpress a couple of weeks ago, and was then shipped from Sydney the next day and I had within 4 days of ordering (AusPost can be vaguely efficient occasionally) -- was that imported by me?
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: kjpye on March 28, 2022, 11:17:26 am ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 28, 2022, 10:45:44 am ---But technically they are not offering a service in Australia - you are going to their website in China and importing yourself. Further, what penalty can Australia action against Aliexpress? I guess they could stop any import from there, but that's a rather big stick for, say, a camera that broke after 3 months.

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They quote prices in Australian dollars, calculate prices for postage to Australia, and collect Australian GST, which they presumably transfer to the Australian Government. And the item I ordered on AliExpress a couple of weeks ago, and was then shipped from Sydney the next day and I had within 4 days of ordering (AusPost can be vaguely efficient occasionally) -- was that imported by me?

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Yes. DDP still makes you the importer
PlainName:

--- Quote ---They quote prices in Australian dollars, calculate prices for postage to Australia, and collect Australian GST
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I can sell you something and do all of that if you like, and I guarantee I don't even know where Australia is never mind have a business operation there. When whatever I send you turns out to an EMC bomb equivalent, the only comeback you'll have is to get your bank to do a chargeback (but I'll insist on a funds transfer so that won't be possible ;) ). Plus, when you report to TPTB that the thing you bought is killing off mobile phones in a 20 mile radius, it's not me they'll be coming after but the importer. That is, you.


--- Quote ---and was then shipped from Sydney the next day and I had within 4 days of ordering (AusPost can be vaguely efficient occasionally) -- was that imported by me?
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In that particular case I would be inclined to think you are not, but I wouldn't want to have to argue that in court. When you order, you don't know if there is a warehouse full of stuff already here or if it's going to be coming in by boat. But either way, how are you going to force the vendor to satisfy your grievance? Suppose they deign to actually answer emails but just send a page full of smileys, what are you going to do?
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