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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2011, 07:02:27 pm »
Actually I, am gonna do just that  :D
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2011, 07:14:24 pm »
The Internet is already regulated, people go down for copyright violation all the time.

Although I agree with open source, I think charging for free data sheets is bad and needs to be stopped.

I only download data sheets from the original manufacturers because it's the only way to ensure I've got the latest version.


 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2011, 07:22:09 pm »
well breaching of copyright and other illegal things done on the internet are prosecutable as crimes in their own rights. Unfortunately the internet can make it harder to get hold of those responsable as it's a worldwide thing. I think the most notorious being some of those dodgy porn sites with underaged stuff and the like on it. They make themselves hard to trace or work from countries where it is hard to hold them accountable.

As for the nuisance stuff not a lot can be done. There really should be a trading standards like body for the net. I mean if software is made to look free but is not they should be made to advertise the price and many more instances like that. The internet is ever more advert driven and as we learn to avoid the adds more sneaky methods are used. At the end of the day you get what you pay for. Often paying up front just makes life easier
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2011, 09:54:13 pm »
I don't call it piracy. I call it theft. And I call those doing it thieves. See, it is that simple, no need to get agitated about the use of the term piracy.

And interestingly it is always the thieves making a big fuzz of how it is called.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2011, 10:22:30 pm »
I don't call it piracy. I call it theft. And I call those doing it thieves. See, it is that simple, no need to get agitated about the use of the term piracy.

And interestingly it is always the thieves making a big fuzz of how it is called.

How can you "steal" something that doesn't even exist - have you tried? Good luck with that. "Fuzz"? lol :) (I know what you meant, it just sounds funny). Who's agitated about the words? If you want to completely miss the point (yet again) and haven't the common sense to consult your brain, and work out what a "pirate" is, then noone can help you.

Here, let me put this into pictures - even you can work THIS out:

Pirate:


Not pirate:


Cat:


Piracy - ODD, not a single mention of downloading stuff or digital works...  ::)
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Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engage in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea.

The term can include acts committed in other major bodies of water or on a shore. It does not normally include crimes committed against persons travelling on the same vessel as the perpetrator (e.g. one passenger stealing from others on the same vessel). The term has been used to refer to raids across land borders by non-state agents.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2011, 10:27:15 pm »
I don't call it piracy. I call it theft. And I call those doing it thieves. See, it is that simple, no need to get agitated about the use of the term piracy.

And interestingly it is always the thieves making a big fuzz of how it is called.

How can you "steal" something that doesn't even exist - have you tried? Good luck with that.
I was about to say the same thing. It's not even legally classed as theft but copyright violation which is totally different.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2011, 10:32:08 pm »
Like I wrote, it is always the thieves making a big fuzz out of it, and, for example, calling others stupid and finding a thousand excuses under the most obscure theories whey they are doing nothing wrong.

The thing is, the only reason they are doing it is not because of some obscure "changing the society" thing. It is simply because they want something, and since the Internet makes it easy to get it, they think they are entitled to get it. That doesn't change in any way that it is wrong.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2011, 10:35:30 pm »
"Pirating", "Piracy" stupid words. have you STILL not worked it out yet? i thought this was an intelligent persons forum?...

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2011, 10:39:34 pm »
The thing is, the only reason they are doing it is not because of some obscure "changing the society" thing. It is simply because they want something, and since the Internet makes it easy to get it, they think they are entitled to get it. That doesn't change in any way that it is wrong.
What's wrong is software, music and media companies, eroding consumer rights with DRM. So yes, you might have a point that it's immoral to violate copyright by downloading content you're not entitled to but the record company is also shafting people left right and centre. Still two wrongs don't make a right I suppose.

Come to think of it what incentive is there for people to actually pay for music and software these days? Illegal downloading is far more convenient.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2011, 10:49:29 pm »
The thing is, the only reason they are doing it is not because of some obscure "changing the society" thing. It is simply because they want something, and since the Internet makes it easy to get it, they think they are entitled to get it. That doesn't change in any way that it is wrong.
What's wrong is software, music and media companies, eroding consumer rights with DRM. So yes, you might have a point that it's immoral to violate copyright by downloading content you're not entitled to but the record company is also shafting people left right and centre. Still two wrongs don't make a right I suppose.

Come to think of it what incentive is there for people to actually pay for music and software these days? Illegal downloading is far more convenient.

I recall when all the Apple fanboys were wetting themselves with excitement, because Apple had released the "Boxed set" of the Beatles on iTunes, for the princely sum of "only £125"  :o needless to say, all the hipster type Californian brainwashed "arty" freaks were falling over themselves to get the "Boxed set", and couldn't type their credit card numbers into iTunes fast enough! LMFAO!! Dorks, it was £6 cheaper on Amazon for the PHYSICAL boxed set. There can only be one word to describe such sheep like behaviour - brainwashed.

I almost fell into a similair situation yesterday, when I was poised and ready to download two "Virtual Console" games for my Wii - retro Mario Bros 2 & 3 for £10 (virtual console = virtual product) :D. My friend told me I could BUY a collectors edition 25th Anniversary Boxed set game with FOUR of the retro Mario Bros games plus a music CD plus a booklet on the history of Mario, for just £20.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2011, 10:57:20 pm »
The DRM also means you can only listen to it on your crapple hardware. It's sought shit, you can't listen to it on your stereo unless you connect it to the i-whatever.

Another thing which encourages piracy (it's just a word, get over it) in the UK, is the right to return for goods purchased on-line after 28 days doesn't apply to music, DVDs or software etc. because there were concerns people where buying it, making a copy and returning it but all this now means is they're just downloading it in the first place.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2011, 10:58:27 pm »
The usual blablabla. Dudes, come back when you have one, just one, imaginative argument, instead of reiterating the same old junk and lies.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2011, 11:02:18 pm »
The DRM also means you can only listen to it on your crapple hardware. It's sought shit, you can't listen to it on your stereo unless you connect it to the i-whatever.

Another thing which encourages piracy (it's just a word, get over it) in the UK, is the right to return for goods purchased on-line after 28 days doesn't apply to music, DVDs or software etc. because there were concerns people where buying it, making a copy and returning it but all this now means is they're just downloading it in the first place.

Actually, Apple hardware is incredibly good, but just too expensive. Also, they no longer lock their music with DRM - it was abolished a long time ago.

The usual blablabla. Dudes, come back when you have one, just one, imaginative argument, instead of reiterating the same old junk and lies.

Did you speak? You need to learn how to substantiate your viewpoint and specify to whom you are pointing the finger of blame, before you post such nonsensical sweeping statements. Ironically, it seems you are posting the least valuable contributions, no?

You should try practicing speaking in front of a mirror - you may perfect the art of debate yet!

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2011, 05:14:04 am »
These types of websites have been around for a while now.
First was the websites selling 'Fonts', then they were selling 'Software Drivers' for various vendors hardware and now they are targeting the electronic industry. They are attempting to get people/companies to sign up by implying that this one website will provide all the documents they need on one handy website. 

This will never work but it never stops them from trying, unfortunately there is no shortage of people out there who are willing to part with there money.

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2011, 06:54:13 am »
Pirate = theif - a really bad theif who once killed to get the loot if need be
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2011, 07:12:05 am »
Pirate = theif = take something belong to someone that not suppose to belong (be kept) to others, or take freely something that supposed to be paid without permission/consent that will cause loss in the original owner/seller. thats my simple definition. so from my 2cnts, selling free item is not thief, but re-selling item that we suppose to pay from original owner/seller, is piracy.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2011, 08:01:29 am »
These types of websites have been around for a while now.
First was the websites selling 'Fonts', then they were selling 'Software Drivers' for various vendors hardware and now they are targeting the electronic industry. They are attempting to get people/companies to sign up by implying that this one website will provide all the documents they need on one handy website. 

This will never work but it never stops them from trying, unfortunately there is no shortage of people out there who are willing to part with there money.

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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2011, 12:37:58 pm »
Pirate = theif = take something belong to someone that not suppose to belong (be kept) to others, or take freely something that supposed to be paid without permission/consent that will cause loss in the original owner/seller. thats my simple definition. so from my 2cnts, selling free item is not thief, but re-selling item that we suppose to pay from original owner/seller, is piracy.


Man, you folks just don't understand, do you?

A "pirate" has a ship - on this ship are OTHER pirates. These pirates take control of OTHER ships, and steal their supplies, possibly murdering them at times.

Unless you know that it is a pre-requisite to have a wooden leg, a parrot and a musket in order to "steal" software, then the title "pirate" is about as accurate and applicable to software and digital media as the title "traffic warden" would be to a full time chef!

Honestly, it is about as irrelevant a phrase as could be imagined, and it is ignorance such as displayed in this thread which perpetuates the usage of such badly coined phrases.

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2011, 12:48:43 pm »
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Gossywhite, why don't you just shut up ! you know damn well that the word piracy is used today in the context of theft of intellectual property. In this particular case of reselling free datasheets maybe it's not the usualy used word (although in my mind amounts to the same) but the word pirate has more than one meaning and it taken in context.

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How is is that any thread you take active part in ends up in an argument ? Everyone is entitled to a point of view !
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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2011, 01:21:38 pm »
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Gossywhite, why don't you just shut up ! you know damn well that the word piracy is used today in the context of theft of intellectual property. In this particular case of reselling free datasheets maybe it's not the usualy used word (although in my mind amounts to the same) but the word pirate has more than one meaning and it taken in context.

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How is is that any thread you take active part in ends up in an argument ? Everyone is entitled to a point of view !

LOL!

I hadn't realised that correcting the misuse of phrases was "causing an argument"? You can get as hot and bothered as you like (not my intention) but that doesn't negate the fact that a "pirate" is as far from software or computing as earth is from Pluto.

Everyone is entitled to a point of view? Well you're contradicting yourself, in that case. I am providing an intelligent and informed opinion - one from someone who is massively respected in the GNU/Linux community, and who has been using GNU/Linux of every shape/variety and distro you could hope to imagine, for more than six years FULL TIME. I have watched more lectures from Richard Stallman than I think there are episodes of "Friends", and I am sorry but "piracy" is just THE most ridiculously placed and inaccurate phrase possible!

People who work with free software are often the ones who live with and hear this kind of conversation daily, and take part in worldwide discussions of such nature. No offence, but I feel I am a little more clued up than a few electronics engineers discussing the selling of data sheets. THINK about the word - it is just laughable, and bears no relevance to the practice to which it attempts to refer:

Please read this - all of it:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy

No offence, but EEVblog is a tiny little forum, amidst the ocean of the internet, and I have many years of Linux community experience on my side. I have been a member of many free software & GNU/Linux forums for many, many years - forums comprising many millions of people who collectively express a passionate and active interest in free software and all related topics. I have watched more content on the subject of "piracy" and copyright/copyleft, the GNU GPL and the suchlike, than I can even start to try and remember.

My point is just this - please do not dismiss my comments - it IS a stupid word - do some research :)

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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2011, 01:29:06 pm »
Glossywhite may not like the word "pirate" as applied to intellectual property and perhaps he's even right.  However, since the term is embedded in the vernacular of the day, it's probably not going to be possible to change the world view to his.  I have to agree with Simon on this one.
 

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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2011, 01:31:04 pm »
well ok. glossywhite = pirate, he hijack a thread and try to kill everybody's idea and then leave happily :D it is metaphor people used today. real pirate is pretty much extinct today, except in country where there is still war and rebelion. this is the modern pirate, not the pirate with one eye and hook hand. and you know why he got a parrot? to send msg to his whore to get ready when he get down to mainland.
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2011, 01:55:37 pm »
Glossywhite may not like the word "pirate" as applied to intellectual property and perhaps he's even right.  However, since the term is embedded in the vernacular of the day, it's probably not going to be possible to change the world view to his.  I have to agree with Simon on this one.

I agree with you completely, and I am not meaning to cause a problem. However, the perpetuation of these ridiculous phrases is BECAUSE people just throw their hands up and accept them, saying "it is how it is" - the stupidity CAN disappear, one step at a time, if you want it enough. In this case, I take it you don't mind that big corporations have taken control of how we even (mis)use the English language? There are very simple alternatives:

1/ "Unauthorised file sharing"

2/ "Illegally shared files"

The point I am making is irrelevant to the politics of it all, I am stating that "pirate/s" and "piracy" are simply laughable, when used in this context.

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2011, 05:53:34 pm »
The term has entered common use in different contexts and i'm sure there are many more examples although I'm no language expert (despite being fluent in 2 languages) although i always endeavour to speak/write correctly and in an understandable way.

I think the term piracy has possibly come to encompass any form of activity (legal or not maybe) that is more involved than the pure act of stealing. When you pirate software or films you are getting around protective mecanisms and then going to lengths to duplicate and profit from the theft. Like a pirate in a boat as you say does not simply break into a shop and steal stuff he arms himself with equipment to take over and get around others defence mecanisms in order to get to the loot (board a ship and kill the crew if neccesary). Wheather of not we used the word completely correctly in this case is not the case of debate.

This forum may be tiny but all good things come in small packages  ;D and I've seen some bad forums in my short time. I've always found this place a pleasure to take part in.
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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2011, 06:10:32 pm »
Okay.

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