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AlfBaz:

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--- Quote from: VK3DRB on January 17, 2021, 10:15:42 am ---Encrypted messaging or telephony is for those who have something to hide.

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A worthwhile read
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565

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You can find some very interesting and scary talks by the author of that paper, Daniel J. Solove, on Youtube.

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Thanks, I'll have a look.

Ed.Kloonk:
The deeper you go the higher you fly.

duckduck:

--- Quote from: SVFeingold on January 13, 2021, 01:05:16 am ---No state actor cares about your cat pics. Or your nudes. Or how wasted Michelle got last weekend. It's like that XKCD. Nobody is gonna build a supercomputer to crack the 4096-bit encryption to your bank account. They're just going to hit you with a wrench until you tell them the password.

Which isn't to say nobody should care. They should. But all you folks sending a deluge of requests to your friends to "use this totally secure, totally obscure open source messenger, and it's so easy! Here's a step-by-step on how to sideload the APK onto your phone" are probably just going to end up with fewer friends. If there's an existing, widely used, widely supported messenger that it perfectly fine for everything but transmitting classified info or nuclear launch codes, it's probably good enough. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. It may be a fun hobby for you, it's not for the majority of people who actually need to use it in order to start making a majority of our comms secure.

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Signal is in the Apple app store and the Google app place-thing, too. Its combination of good security, low price (free!), and ease of installation are why it is used by millions of people around the world. Best of luck to the folks with the "sideload this APK" app.

I also agree with the wrench thing. If a state actor wants you, you have bigger problems than choosing the right instant messenger app. The point of encryption is to make the state have to put in that same work for each person they want to surveille. All the "modern" states bulk-scan and catalog SMS messages. They can't do that with Signal.

How wasted did Michelle get last weekend?

vad:

--- Quote from: NANDBlog on January 17, 2021, 10:01:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on January 17, 2021, 10:15:42 am ---Encrypted messaging or telephony is for those who have something to hide.

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Sure, can you please post here:
- last weeks browsing history
- and your entire contact list
- your GPS location at all times
- and your call history
- ant text message you sent

Please, just post it here below this message. Since you have nothing to hide.

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For those who have something to hide there are things like rubber hose crypto analysis, or 7 years self imprisonment in Ecuadorian Embassy. Other are just dreaming of being James Bonds or Marvins from Red (2010):

“- Frank, how many times have I told you? You cannot trust the system! I told you when you're in the system, they switch the flip and you're done. Man, satellites, cell phones, chips, net, the web, the dentist.”



voltsandjolts:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jan/24/is-it-time-to-leave-whatsapp-and-is-signal-the-answer

Interesting, I didn't know the WhatsApp founder had concerns with Facebook's intent and then helped fund Signal with $50M.


--- Quote ---Signal is supported by the non-profit Signal Foundation, set up in 2018 by WhatsApp founder Brian Acton and security researcher (and Signal Messenger CEO) Moxie Marlinspike, who created an encryption protocol that is used by several messaging services, including WhatsApp and Skype as well as Signal itself. Acton, who left Facebook in 2017 after expressing concerns over how the company operated, donated an initial $50m to Signal, and the open-source app is now funded by the community. Essentially that means developers across the world will continually work on it and fix security issues as part of a collaborative effort, making the app arguably more secure.

But there are concerns over whether Signal can maintain this free model as its user base increases to the tens, or potentially in the future, hundreds of millions. Signal is adamant it can continue to offer its service for free. “As a non-profit, we simply need to break even,” says Aruna Harder, the app’s COO.

Signal is exclusively supported by grants and donations, says Acton. “We believe that millions of people value privacy enough to sustain it, and we’re here to demonstrate that there is an alternative to the ad-based business models that exploit user privacy.”
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