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Delete WhatsApp, use Signal Private Messenger instead
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coppice:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on January 16, 2021, 01:25:07 am ---Too little, too late. This move, whether they choose to back-peddle now or not has generated serious distrust in Facebook (a company that already had dubious privacy policies).

I will never go back. I never really liked it in the first place. I only installed it because many of my contacts used it and it was more secure than plain SMS. This is no longer the case.

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Facebook put a lot of money into WhatsApp, but aren't able to make money from it. What they have done so far clearly hasn't created the revenue streams they'd hoped for. They are probably at the make or break point now. Either they come though this with quite a lot of subscribers intact, and sufficient revenue, or they give up.

The problem is Signal is being run as a charity. That's not sustainable. Its very unclear where things go moving forwards.
Halcyon:

--- Quote from: coppice on January 16, 2021, 01:40:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Halcyon on January 16, 2021, 01:25:07 am ---Too little, too late. This move, whether they choose to back-peddle now or not has generated serious distrust in Facebook (a company that already had dubious privacy policies).

I will never go back. I never really liked it in the first place. I only installed it because many of my contacts used it and it was more secure than plain SMS. This is no longer the case.

--- End quote ---
Facebook put a lot of money into WhatsApp, but aren't able to make money from it. What they have done so far clearly hasn't created the revenue streams they'd hoped for. They are probably at the make or break point now. Either they come though this with quite a lot of subscribers intact, and sufficient revenue, or they give up.

The problem is Signal is being run as a charity. That's not sustainable. Its very unclear where things go moving forwards.

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Yes you're right, things could change, but for the time being, for me, it's the best available platform and it has been that way for several years now.
Bud:

--- Quote from: coppice on January 16, 2021, 01:40:06 am ---Facebook put a lot of money into WhatsApp, but aren't able to make money from it. What they have done so far clearly hasn't created the revenue streams they'd hoped for. They are probably at the make or break point now. Either they come though this with quite a lot of subscribers intact, and sufficient revenue, or they give up.

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I do not believe so. They are bringing businesses and payments to Whatsapp, this alone can generate a lot of revenue. Let businesses pay for doing business. But no, the greedy owners also want to collect and share the businesses' customers (you) data including plain text messages and then push ad garbage on you, charging advertisers as well. Tripple profit.
nuclearcat:
The problem of Whatsapp - they did their best to kill any attempts of automation. I remember how people reverse engineered their API, wrote python library, and many used it for monitoring bots for telecom, automation control, shops, and then BOOM, whatsapp started to permanently ban phone numbers as punishment, for using these "illegal" libraries.
Then after Telegram started to make dedicated business API, Facebook woke up and created contraption called Whatsapp business, but the API for it was clearly written by a chicken, with a left paw. Its mostly unusable beyond "hello world" examples. Now they want monetize, haha. Good luck. Whoever wanted automation, integration with business processes - moved elsewhere. And with current lunatic Facebook policy, censorship - it is just suicide to depend on their products.

Telegram from day one created lot of API libraries, tools, bots there is tons of alternative clients as wells. They can monetize in click of fingers by adding some useful API for shops, automation, etc.

Signal, as said before, marketed as nonprofit, tool for dissidents, now have to scale to much larger userbase. No idea how they will keep going money wise.
And btw about privacy. Signal was positioned before as dissident tool, and same as Tor, as soon as you start using it, you are on watchlist in many countries. Same time signal restriction bypass techniques are quite primitive. Signal tried to develop federation and failed. Signal "supposed to be dissident friendly" service is easily detectable. And all their efforts more looks like government employees who work from 9pm till 5pm and wont move finger beyond their responsibility.

Telegram on same side successfully won epic battle with Russian censorship. Russian government wrecked half of their internet trying to block telegram, Telegram kept service alive, fighting 24/7, and after Durov team developed easy to install proxy software that is not detectable by DPI, all blocking efforts because useless. This was quite creative.
SVFeingold:

--- Quote from: nuclearcat on January 16, 2021, 08:51:38 am ---Signal was positioned before as dissident tool, and same as Tor, as soon as you start using it, you are on watchlist in many countries.

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This point is often missed when discussing different encrypted communication methods. In places like that no government is going to debate with you about the purported contents of your messages. Using an encrypted chat program? You must be a spy. Have fun arguing from prison.
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