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Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
tggzzz:
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 22, 2022, 07:47:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on February 21, 2022, 01:34:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: Brumby on February 21, 2022, 07:42:28 am ---Besides, the statistic has been available for anyone to see - and has been for as long as I can remember. Just click on a member's Username and it's right there on the landing page of their profile.
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There's quite a difference of degree between the statistic being available for anyone to see upon seeking it out, and seeing it every time one reads a post.
As I've consistently pointed out, the "thanked" count isn't a helpful statistic. At best, it partitions people into "either helpful or affable or both" and "not (either helpful or affable or both)". At worst it tells you nothing. The only time I've found it informative is as a loose indication when I've encountered someone I haven't noticed before, and they are either being a dick, apparently trolling, or trying to start a fight, to determine if they are just having a bad day or if it's likely to be normal behaviour for them
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It might be nice if the count shows up in the particular thread only.
e.g. If someones post in this thread was Thanked 5 times, the count would show up under the username as 5, otherwise it doesn't show at all?
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According to my poll public opinion is mostly against the thanked counter in every post, but it's not as unpopular as the expert idea.
Doing it for individual threads is another idea, but I'd be in favour of just scrapping the counter altogether, whether it's in the profile, or posts. The thank you system should be kept, but only displayed for individual posts.
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It seems that your personal message "90% of those by trollz" is now lacking context, as is my similar statement "but the count is meaningless without context!". I've copied them so they aren't lost when I (we?) delete them.
+1 to Dave for trying something. and +2 for not having so much ego that he isn't prepared to abandon an idea.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 22, 2022, 09:31:21 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on February 22, 2022, 08:23:35 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 22, 2022, 07:47:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on February 21, 2022, 01:34:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: Brumby on February 21, 2022, 07:42:28 am ---Besides, the statistic has been available for anyone to see - and has been for as long as I can remember. Just click on a member's Username and it's right there on the landing page of their profile.
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There's quite a difference of degree between the statistic being available for anyone to see upon seeking it out, and seeing it every time one reads a post.
As I've consistently pointed out, the "thanked" count isn't a helpful statistic. At best, it partitions people into "either helpful or affable or both" and "not (either helpful or affable or both)". At worst it tells you nothing. The only time I've found it informative is as a loose indication when I've encountered someone I haven't noticed before, and they are either being a dick, apparently trolling, or trying to start a fight, to determine if they are just having a bad day or if it's likely to be normal behaviour for them
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It might be nice if the count shows up in the particular thread only.
e.g. If someones post in this thread was Thanked 5 times, the count would show up under the username as 5, otherwise it doesn't show at all?
--- End quote ---
According to my poll public opinion is mostly against the thanked counter in every post, but it's not as unpopular as the expert idea.
Doing it for individual threads is another idea, but I'd be in favour of just scrapping the counter altogether, whether it's in the profile, or posts. The thank you system should be kept, but only displayed for individual posts.
--- End quote ---
It seems that your personal message "90% of those by trollz" is now lacking context, as is my similar statement "but the count is meaningless without context!". I've copied them so they aren't lost when I (we?) delete them.
+1 to Dave for trying something. and +2 for not having so much ego that he isn't prepared to abandon an idea.
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Agreed. His post about removing it in the other thread got thanked by me.
emece67:
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wilfred:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on February 22, 2022, 09:06:14 am ---
--- Quote from: wilfred on February 22, 2022, 08:53:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on February 22, 2022, 08:23:35 am ---
According to my poll public opinion is mostly against the thanked counter in every post, but it's not as unpopular as the expert idea.
Doing it for individual threads is another idea, but I'd be in favour of just scrapping the counter altogether, whether it's in the profile, or posts. The thank you system should be kept, but only displayed for individual posts.
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The thanks function still has a useful purpose. It is easily apparent when someone makes a worthwhile considered post for the benefit of other forum members. And saying "thanks for the input and effort" can be inferred by the recipient.
And where Ataradov observes "I just went and checked a few accounts that I would not trust, and they have 100s of thanks." it is as easily inferred that the highly opinionated relative few tend to accumulate thanks in the diminished form of "I agree with this side of the argument".
Keep the thanks counter because it does serve to reward those worthy of it.
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You seem to have missed my point. I didn't say get rid of the thank you system. It should be kept. Whether the counters should remain or go, is a separate debate.
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I agree it does read as if I missed your point. But I agree with what you say. I think the thanks counter has massively reduced value and my response was made in the certain belief that it would be deleted entirely (and it has been) and that there is not the slightest chance of any alternative such as you suggest ever being implemented. Even if it was on a per post basis only it would still get treated as "I agree" in the context of the thread it is in. And those threads are where high thanks counts tend to accumulate as observed by Ataradov. With whom I also agree.
The thanks counter as it was could have served the function if only for those who post to be helpful provided it was ignored for any other purpose.
Regardless, the point is moot.
Brumby:
A very pertinent comment:
--- Quote from: ataradov on February 22, 2022, 07:57:14 am ---It is not clear to me what is the actual problem this is supposed to solve.
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Three things that should always be kept in mind:
1. What is the problem that is being addressed? Being very clear about this is essential.
For any given solution:
2. How effective is it in achieving the desired outcome?
3. What negative consequences could ensue from its implementation?
If all three of these are not clearly defined (and the outcome favourable) then it would be foolish to make a change ... IMHO.
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