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What do you think about having designated "Expert" forum users?

I don't like it
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2022, 01:44:16 pm »
I understand the desire to do this. People are wrong on the Internet! Who do you trust? Especially in the beginner section, people who try to be helpful but have no idea whatsoever make more harm than good by coming up with total BS replies; they mean no harm of course (think Capernicus as an example).

But, the current system where everyone has the equal chances to make a well justified reply, works out really well. It puts the emphasis on the quality of the answer itself, and people are not stupid; they can see what replies are well formed and contain most information. If it all plays out logically, then it's likely a correct answer, and even if it isn't, it will trigger further corrections.

If you give "Expert" status for some, it really does not help those who actually are capable of giving good expert answers already, as their replies already speak for themselves. But it leaves a lot of room for unnecessary social games, and lowers the bar of the actual information quality, as it doesn't need to stand out on its own anymore, in worst case becoming secondary.
 
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2022, 02:00:26 pm »
Though I've ticked "I like it" - "it" for me would have a low-ish "expert" bar.

What I envisage is that eevblog (or just Dave) sets an online examination - if you submit to the process and pass you get a rosette by your avatar.

When something "technical" comes up, and the answers/comments are read, the rosette may give a reassuring indication that the proponent has some credential to give a useful answer.
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2022, 02:20:03 pm »
Please avoid using the "experting" of some users.

Even though one is not an expert (or marked-as-expert) in certain topic, he still may give a very precise and expert suggestions and answers.  By "experting" others, you may then discourae non-expert-marked individuals to post their answers and suggestions.  And, it will not help receiving better answers anyway.
 
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2022, 04:06:29 pm »
There's a little too much possibility for self-promotion here too. An observation I've made is that anyone who chooses a user name that includes words like "export", "wizard", "master", academic titles, and other such like terms is usually (but not infallibly always) a walking talking example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I should probably put that below my avatar as well, huh?  (Or perhaps, apologize (in part) for your having to make that parenthetic exception.) :-DD

Ha! No, I was thinking that I can name one exception to the rule who has 'master' in their handle but who isn't a total dimwit/dweeb/fantacist (except with relation to my  jokes, they go straight over his head). As a corollary, people who name themselves after their favourite part or part number generally seem to be among the more level headed. (Do you want me to make a parenthetical exception here?)  :)
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2022, 04:11:34 pm »
It's not a bad idea, but much of the crux lies in who gets to decide who's expert.

I'm not sure it matters if you're only labelled an expert in a single field or not. I'd say that if you've rode the Dunning-Kruger rollercoaster once, you're probably able to refrain yourself from dispensing advise from Mt. Stupid the next time around...

"Dispensing advice from Mt. Stupid".  That is the best interpretation of Dunning-Kruger that I have seen.  Thanks.  Sometimes I get frustrated when people do this but now I will have an image in my head of them yodeling on Mt. Stupid and I will chuckle. 
 

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2022, 04:59:44 pm »
A forum user brought this up and I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea.

Essentially, people could nominate and/or vote on who are known "Experts" in a particular field and give them an "Expert" designator tag. e.g. Analog Expert, Acoustics Expert etc.

I see this particular forum, as being a hobbyist, fun with electronics, but especially INFORMAL forum. Where many electronics people (as well as pure hobbyists) hang out.

Implementing the TITLES system, would in my mind change the personality of the forum. It could then end up falling between two stools. Too unprofessional to count as an official source and yet too formal, for people to leave casual/quick answers.

If someone needs professional electronics internet places, they already exist. I see this forum, as being a sort of half-way house between such places (but the professional ones can be too formal, difficult, inflexible, on-topic-only), and forums, where complete mayhem seems to exist (at least in some areas of such places, e.g. Open Political Discussions).
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2022, 05:41:57 pm »
From the Topic OP's point of view, once an Expert replies to his query, the subject is closed.  Who will give a better response?  Auto close the thread?

From other respondents' point of view, once an Expert replies there is no reason to add content.  The Expert solution is now known.  All other solutions are of lesser value.

We could save all the titles and troubles by just limiting replies to Experts and skip over all the enthusiasts.

I left a forum where I had participated for many years when they changed the board to include the concept of "Trophy Points" and "Trophies" for the number of replies and, I believe, Likes.  That seemed rather juvenile for a very serious forum so I bailed.  I'm not in the business of gathering up trophies.

No, I'm not a fan of the Expert concept but it would shorten up a lot of threads.  Maybe that's a good thing, probably not.
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2022, 06:32:31 pm »
I may look at a member's footer, see what they say, do some of my own research of my own to form my own conclusions and trust them that way.

I see many experts for all sorts of things on this board especially what they put on their footers.

What I wouldn't like to find are arguments between such people on who insists they are always right based on some nomination alone but I am sure expect they'll know better than that.

I was thinking what about having such people on a call in basis but then that might devalue other members here.
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2022, 06:34:29 pm »
No, I'm not a fan of the Expert concept but it would shorten up a lot of threads.  Maybe that's a good thing, probably not.

Definitely not a good thing.  The OP is not the only audience for a thread.  I, for one, appreciate the follow-on questions, alternate approaches, and technical digressions that come from an extended discussion.  The thread dies when people are no longer interested in it.  This is a big reason why I hang out here, rather than on Stack Exchange.  EEVblog Forum is where we go for a good technical discussion, not to rack up ego-points.

FWFW, I still visit Stack Exchange when I have a specific programming or HDL question.  I do a Google search, and if Stack Exchange pops up I check it out.  But I have stopped actively answering questions there.
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2022, 06:35:35 pm »
I agree with pretty much all points made by Dave, in particular this one:
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1) It could be seen as an "appeal to authority" which is not how science/engineering is supposed to work. The best technical argument is supposed to "win".

Well, almost. Except that in many threads, there *isn't* just one answer that "wins". That's not how science works either, and engineering even less so. In many cases, there's a bunch of equally valid answers, given from different perspectives/requirements/constraints/... That's what makes a discussion "rich", but is also the only reasonable way of dealing with forum topics IMHO, as the OP's questions are often subject to interpretation, so judging there is only ONE valid answer would assume that the question is 100% unambiguously understood, which is rarely the case.

And then, that would just make it annoying for people not getting the 'expert' tag to answer, and that would probably drastically limit the discussions.

Whoever would get to vote for the status? Following the whole logic, experts should be voted by experts. Doesn't look like it would be practical. "Lambda" people voting for the status would be way slippery (as we can see with any kind of large-scale voting): would make it likely that the "loud ones" would get more votes, just like with any other vote.

Finally, that's also a bad idea in that it would give users asking questions the wrong idea about how to find information and how to learn.
That's unfortunately a trend, looking for the ultimate "truth" and for information ready for "immediate consumption".

If you want a taste of what it could look like, just go to Stackoverflow. If you think that's what a forum should be like, go right ahead! (But lets' not forget to make a difference between a purely independent and *free* forum, and a web site that is a commercial service with free but limited access.) So, just my 2 cents anyway.

 
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2022, 06:53:11 pm »
No, I'm not a fan of the Expert concept but it would shorten up a lot of threads.  Maybe that's a good thing, probably not.

Definitely not a good thing.  The OP is not the only audience for a thread.  I, for one, appreciate the follow-on questions, alternate approaches, and technical digressions that come from an extended discussion.  The thread dies when people are no longer interested in it.  This is a big reason why I hang out here, rather than on Stack Exchange.  EEVblog Forum is where we go for a good technical discussion, not to rack up ego-points.

I agree 100%.  It's often the side bars that make a thread interesting.  Separate issue:  How many times are the queries so poorly formulated that nobody could give a correct answer the first time?  It takes interaction to nail down the question and then collaboration to posit a solution.  All of which is wiped out the instant an Expert replies.
 
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2022, 07:02:28 pm »
The pattern I usually see is this curve with two peaks: a bunch of very low quality answers by people who try to be helpful, but either did not pay attention, or just don't have any idea what they are talking about. Then there are all the rest, generating a fruitful discussion with many different viewpoints, none of which is necessarily the full "truth". The good quality answers might even have inaccuracies or errors in them, but they get fixed.

The risk here is, many of the "overall bullshitters" do have decent social skills. Nothing prevents them getting the "Expert" status. Now, the bullshitters struggle because their posts get corrected by others, but the "Expert" status could get in the way. What happens when the bullshitter has the "expert" status, and the corrector does not?

I specifically like long but well organized posts like Nominal Animal's or T3sl4co1l's, which show excellent expertise in the subject. I'm seeing a trend that the longer the post, the easier it is to assess the quality: most very long posts are also very informative and well thought out, but those that are not, are easy to dismiss since you just automatically ignore them as reading through them seems massive waste of time.

My pet peeve is when the bullshitters, who have nothing to say, get butthurt when one of the long-wall-of-text contributors extends the subject (on-topic, but drifting a bit) and start complaining still contributing nothing. Then they click "report to the moderator" button trying to manipulate moderators against the contributors. Haven't seen this anymore recently, but anyway, I can totally see these troublemakers going to extended lengths to gain the Expert status.

So, if no voting, how else you would give that status? By number of posts? That is already visible. By number of thanks? This correlates with quality only partially. When Nominal Animal writes a super-informative post, he gets 1-3 thanks. When some poor soul has an unpopular opinion about some (maybe off-topic) matter, and someone else gives an easily agreeable counterargument, maybe some sniffy one-liner, without much actual contribution, the latter gets 10-30 thanks. Think about it. Thanking system completely mixes the "thanks for the contribution" and "thanks for being socially acceptable" types of responses.

Add a voting system and tell people to use it for technical merits only? Nope, it's going to end up exactly like the thank you button.
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2022, 07:17:32 pm »
To the few before Siwastaja: let's not lose track of what Dave's question was about.

It's not some special Expert Answers delivered by the chosen few and highlighted with bold font in <blink> tags, but custom titles under the username so that a newcomer who gets two guys arguing contrary points in incomprehensible technobabble in his thread stands a chance of picking out the Good Guy.

For most of the time I think this function is already provided by standard social dynamics: there is typically more than two people reading any thread, and they usually go and flame the Bad Guy together, exerting peer pressure on the OP to accept the Right Way.

I think most of the time when threads end up in dead ends, nonsense or wild speculation it's not because of difficulty in knowing whom to trust, but simply from lack of any attention from anyone with experience in given area to deliver quick sensible answers and cut the BS.
 

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2022, 07:21:00 pm »
From the Topic OP's point of view, once an Expert replies to his query, the subject is closed.  Who will give a better response?  Auto close the thread?

Nah, or, not quite.  I suppose something like that would go: question-asker asks the question, thread is locked to others besides experts and OP (since OP might not provide sufficient information at first), then experts weigh in.

I suppose that sort of a thing would be easy enough to implement on a forum too, experts could simply be given mod rights to the relevant subforums and that's that.

That's kind of what Stack implements, users can edit their messages (and sometimes elevated users or "community" can edit others!), and add responses; and there's a comment section below each message/reply to discuss things more informally (that would be harder to emulate on an un-threaded forum).

As for the value of that -- I for one would certainly welcome the discussion.  It shouldn't be locked, but... maybe could stand to be a little more restrictive than it is now, but in what way exactly, I'm not sure?  Anyway, for my part, I certainly don't give perfect answers, most of the time I treat a post as a prompt and begin discussing whatever comes off the top of my mind on that subject.  Might be (might, he says?..) superfluous to OP; might be about a cluster of topics around, but beside the central point; might be about a cluster of topics but misrepresenting their relative importance (classic topic: the number of articles about slotting ground planes vastly outnumbers the real-world applications of the technique!).  Or I might simply make errors in writing it down, or thinking about it at all, even for subjects I know well; braining is hard!

So, some commentary, constructive criticism, is certainly welcome.  And then, an improvement in information quality would be appreciated, I suppose.  To the extent that can be easily done, anyway.

And to clarify, by "restriction", it would probably be in very minor ways -- things like, needing to show the least bit of interest in the subject, responsibility for the conversation -- for example, subscribing to the thread first, and then replies are available.  Or maybe it's by category or something, so you're subscribed to the subforum, or the post is tagged with subjects, and when you subscribe to those, relevant threads show up on your feed automatically; etc.

For all its problems, this is perhaps one thing Stack does well -- ugly though it may be.  It has, at least the impression that, if you make a careless reply, you're going to get snapped at and downvoted into oblivion, so you better make sure your information is on point.  That's... a way to do that, I think.

Now, to be clear, I wouldn't want this place to become Stack-like.  This is, and should be, a community.  Community isn't something Stack is good at, at least as far as I've seen.

At best, there'd be, like... maybe a Wiki or something* on the side, that's, hopefully, somewhat carefully cultivated, with rich, detailed, connected content useful in regards to common questions.

*Not that exact one (because that's specifically for the resources as shown), but, more for sake of saying: we kinda already have it.

But also, wikis have been tried in many places, and they rarely have sticking power.  They end up neglected and unused.  Something of a circular problem, there's nothing good there so no one visits, right?...

The problem ultimately is, good information takes a lot of time and effort to cultivate, and without people specifically responsible for it, and vested in it, it stumbles, or falls to ruin entirely.

And where Stack excels in that "market", is managing to be one of the top collections of useful resources on the net.  That works great for a lot of mainstream subjects: computer science, SE where most of the time there's just a handful of things missing from, say, a successful install of le package-du-jour; even fairly informal topics like fictional writing (Worldbuilding, Scifi, even Roleplaying shows up on the sidebar often enough).  The latter can probably bring more of a community discussion sort of aspect, which is interesting.

On the other hand, EE seems to be a subject just... manifestly poorly suited to the same approach?  I've never been impressed by the quality of questions nor answers I've seen on the EE StackExchange.  (Granted, there are plenty of unimpressive questions here, too, but more curious seems to be the fact that they're all pretty similar; and, see also the EE subreddit.)  I'm not sure that it's a matter of common questions coming up often enough to be worth reviewing and improving, or if there's just very little resource to do so (i.e., most of us have something better [paying] to do? -- but then, CS/SE pays very well, and there are many excellent posts in that domain).  Or maybe it's a matter of scaling, it's just not as big a community, so of course the frequency of questions, and pruning and polishing of answers, simply lacks; I don't know.


So, as concerns the discussing-a-subject-and-related-topics-around-it that I am wont to do..... there you go. :P I hadn't contemplated much about the role and (internal) function of Stack before (and, presumably by extension, Quora and other crowdsourced information sorts of sites? -- I know even less about these, alas), so this has helped (I think?) my understanding of them.  Perhaps writing this down (or thinking out loud..) has provided others with some perspective on those, and perhaps the possible role of our community in the greater internet community, those sort of things?  Idunno.


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I left a forum where I had participated for many years when they changed the board to include the concept of "Trophy Points" and "Trophies" for the number of replies and, I believe, Likes.  That seemed rather juvenile for a very serious forum so I bailed.  I'm not in the business of gathering up trophies.

No, I'm not a fan of the Expert concept but it would shorten up a lot of threads.  Maybe that's a good thing, probably not.

Anyway, going back to this, for sure, any kind of metric needs to be chosen very, very carefully.  Never underestimate the psychological will to make line go up.  As soon as you make an indicator a metric, it is no longer a good metric, etc.

For their part, I think (or, suspect, at least..), Slashdot, then later, Reddit and more, did a tremendous service in regards to the democratization of information.  Bringing up/downvotes to the masses, brought scalable (and massive), self-curated content in return.  And yes, all the problems which attend that -- it's easily gamed (karmawhores, trolls, bots), people are fickle, most just want a quick click of dopamine and on to the next post, etc.  Very little critical review of posts/comments; insightful comments get downvoted to hell if they happen to be inconvenient/unpopular; uh, brigading (arguably under the general umbrella of trolls, but a different structure), the list goes on.  And, best of all, it's only ever the illusion of democracy, of course; there always must be some group of mods/admins responsible for ownership and preventing abuse; and, inevitably, curating content according to their specific interests.  These aren't easy problems to solve...

It's fairly surprising that we still don't have many better options than the benevolent dictator...  Nice when it happens, but rare indeed.

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2022, 07:29:35 pm »
"Dispensing advice from Mt. Stupid".  That is the best interpretation of Dunning-Kruger that I have seen. 

Just to be clear: I didn't come up with the Mt. Stupid. I just elaborated a bit on it ;)
 

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2022, 07:30:13 pm »
It seems a good idea at first brush, but as others have previously stated, I foresee too much opportunity for it to go off into the weeds and turn into a cluster fornication, requiring more time and effort from Dave and the other mods for policing.  My vote is to keep it as it is now.

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2022, 07:40:31 pm »
It's not some special Expert Answers delivered by the chosen few and highlighted with bold font in <blink> tags, but custom titles under the username so that a newcomer who gets two guys arguing contrary points in incomprehensible technobabble in his thread stands a chance of picking out the Good Guy.
I doubt that is going to work. In some past cases the good guys got banned and the trolls got to stay. You are dealing with engineers here and some are quite far on the autism spectrum.
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2022, 08:05:05 pm »
When I was a kid long ago we had numerous "Experts" to ask, we knew they were "Experts" and the answers were trustworthy. College courses were taught by the "Experts", they were also called Books.  We had some other "Experts" with a known company/product affiliation, these were called Application Notes from HP, Tektronix, Fluke, LT, National, and so on, or even other "Experts" within the IEEE called "Fellows".

These past "Experts" included Grey & Meyer, Horowitz, Zverev, Rabiner & Gold, Roberge, Pease, Williams, Widlar, later Lee, Razavi and so on. We knew where to go for the right answers to a particular question and we did not have Google, nor the Internet, but didn't have to sift thru eons of mis-information, BS and such.

Today companies generally don't produce the quality App Notes of the past, most true "Experts" don't write textbooks anymore, so a newbie has to resort to Google and/or the Internet, and sift thru all that.

Believe there are a few "Experts" here, that most would agree would provide beneficial and timely information to those newbies that request such. Know they certainly helped me when I joined a couple years ago, but had to spend countless hours/days/weeks finding who they were and sifting thru threads, so having designated "Experts" or whatever you want to call them, seems worthwhile IMO.

Of course the issues of selection and whatnot are difficult, the IEEE seems to have done well with the Fellow nomination and selection process, maybe that model should be considered.

Anyway, I've already paid my "dues" and know who to "listen" to and not, so reducing the suffering for newbies just might prove useful!

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2022, 09:23:50 pm »
I think the whole expert designation idea is a nightmare, which would almost certainly be detrimental to the forum.

Why not leave it to the recipients of advice to decide? .... The forum has a perfectly workable 'Thank' option. It ought to be possible to produce a simple thanked / total posts merit figure (probably weighted with number of posts to avoid the 100% 1 thanked out of 1 posted situation).

If somebody feels it worth thanking a post from another member, then it indicates that they have been helpful / useful. Maybe gaining a high enough ratio can be interpreted as being some sort of 'Expert' if you want to see it that way.

Just the view of a greybeard engineer (who has worked in several sectors).
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2022, 09:33:02 pm »
It just occurred to me.  Maybe "Influencer" maybe be more appropriate?  ;)  At least that plays well on Twitter and FB. (sarc.)
 

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2022, 09:34:01 pm »
It just occurred to me.  Maybe "Influencer" maybe be more appropriate?  ;)  At least that plays well on Twitter and FB. (sarc.)

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2022, 09:46:38 pm »
The risk here is, many of the "overall bullshitters" do have decent social skills. Nothing prevents them getting the "Expert" status. Now, the bullshitters struggle because their posts get corrected by others, but the "Expert" status could get in the way. What happens when the bullshitter has the "expert" status, and the corrector does not?

Or worse, don't get corrected at all and the Expert tag pretty much guarantees that the answer is accepted as gospel.

FWIW, I don't like either of the Stack (Overflow or Exchange) sites I have run across.  The 'leaders' are rude and condescending, something that doesn't happen around here very often.  One thing I see over and over on the Stack... sites:  "This question has been answered!"  Of course it was 5 years ago and doesn't show up in a search because, well, search terms don't quite match.  I don't waste my time on either site.

The nice thing about eevBlog is that the threads tend to wander around a bit before coalescing.  The question was imprecise and several replies go by before the real question is defined.  But it usually gets defined and then an appropriate answer is offered up.  Peer review jumps in and someone comes up with "Did you think about...?".  A few more posts go by figuring out what to do with the new constraint.  But it works and, for the most part, people leave their egos elsewhere.  The interactions are almost always polite.

In my view, this site is just about perfect the way it is.  Questions, even badly posed questions, get answered.  There is usually some consensus by the end of a thread and it's up to the OP to take what they need from the interaction.

It works the way it is, I hope it doesn't get broken.
 
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2022, 09:59:48 pm »
Where's the "I like it, but only if I can be one" choice? :P
More seriously, I usually pay less attention to who posted something, than what they posted. From that perspective, emphasising the former wouldn't be a good idea.

That's what I do in most cases too. I guess it's more for newbies who get a whole bunch of responses and don't have the technical ability to judge each post on its technical merits.
Although we do have the Thanks system for posts.

Firstly determining who is (not) worth listening to is a valuable life skill for many reasons and in many circumstances. Newbies might as well learn such discrimination ASAP.

Secondly, any such system will be "gamed" in many different ways. For example, one well-known poster that has taken on a new moniker was infamous for thank evey respone - even those demonstrating why he was completely and idiotically wrong.

Most importantly, real experts know how little they know and are unlikely to respond well to competing with those exhibiting Dunning Krueger syndrome.

So, nice idea, but no. If it ain't broke, don't change it!
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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2022, 10:24:17 pm »

Most importantly, real experts know how little they know and are unlikely to respond well to competing with those exhibiting Dunning Krueger syndrome.

So, nice idea, but no. If it ain't broke, don't change it!

Competing...  Didn't (Don't) we get enough of that at work?
 

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Re: Designated "Expert" Forum Users?
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2022, 10:38:29 pm »
Just the view of a greybeard engineer (who has worked in several sectors).

You just found the right designation title ! Instead of Expert Lets call it Greybeard !   ;D
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