Designated "Expert" Forum Users?

[rstofer]

Where did I mention paper certification.. ? . Only you mention  it .

So what kind of certification did you have in mind?

Maybe the type that (in conjunction with medics), the police can do for a few days and the courts indefinitely?

In California that is Welfare and Institutions Code Section 5150. Otherwise called a 'fifty-one fifty'.  72 hour involuntary hold.

[Ed.Kloonk]

I'm perfectly happy with my sex, but thanks anyway.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

The new management, Mr. Lizard (praise be upon his scaliness), has mandated a 50/50 male to female ratio.
Someones got to do it.

I'm happy to do 50% of the females.

Or have I misunderstood the mission?

[EEVblog]

I'm perfectly happy with my sex, but thanks anyway.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

The new management, Mr. Lizard (praise be upon his scaliness), has mandated a 50/50 male to female ratio.
Someones got to do it.

Ok Mr Lizard, that can be done two ways, the easy way or the hard way. The easy way is deleting 90% of accounts.

[Ed.Kloonk]

Carnage.

[Brumby]

If asked to give a formal description of what the "Thanks" system on the EEVblog is all about, I would struggle.  Certainly it is not a definitive measure of expertise, but does that mean it needs to be altered or removed?

It evolved as an alternative to Like as a better acknowledgement of a members contributions.

Indeed ... and that's probably the best and most concise statement I could ever expect.  It does leave the merit of what is worthy of acknowledgement as being rather subjective, but that is part of - IMO - why it has survived as well as it has.

Would you prefer Like or a return to +1 and  ?

Aaaagggghhhh!  No.

Just because I see that something does not have a precise, universal, unambiguous, unanimously accepted definition doesn't mean I want to change it.

Why even go there?   

[Nominal Animal]

If asked to give a formal description of what the "Thanks" system on the EEVblog is all about, I would struggle.  Certainly it is not a definitive measure of expertise, but does that mean it needs to be altered or removed?

I claim it works best when its definition is fuzzy/ambiguous but always positive, because when it matters, it forces one to consider the context.

Condensing such stuff into a single number does not work, and that's why I was so adamant about removing the Thanked: counter from the user info shown next to each post (which has been removed; thank you!).  Such single numbers too easily become a personal "score", and that leads to social gamification, which once started, is hard to quell.

When overused, "Thanks" does lose some of its impact, but as long as the overusers are a small minority, it does not impact the facility itself, only those particular members.  Members soon note if someone "Thanks" way too often for it to be useful; at least one such former member has been mentioned already.

[Brumby]

If asked to give a formal description of what the "Thanks" system on the EEVblog is all about, I would struggle.  Certainly it is not a definitive measure of expertise, but does that mean it needs to be altered or removed?

I claim it works best when its definition is fuzzy/ambiguous but always positive, because when it matters, it forces one to consider the context.

I support your claim - and your reasoning!   

[tautech]

If asked to give a formal description of what the "Thanks" system on the EEVblog is all about, I would struggle.  Certainly it is not a definitive measure of expertise, but does that mean it needs to be altered or removed?

It evolved as an alternative to Like as a better acknowledgement of a members contributions.

Indeed ... and that's probably the best and most concise statement I could ever expect.  It does leave the merit of what is worthy of acknowledgement as being rather subjective, but that is part of - IMO - why it has survived as well as it has.

Would you prefer Like or a return to +1 and  ?

Aaaagggghhhh!  No.

Just because I see that something does not have a precise, universal, unambiguous, unanimously accepted definition doesn't mean I want to change it.

Why even go there?   

You were a member when Thanks were introduced although you did not participate in the announcement thread where not everyone at that time was for the idea yet it's been a good tool and served its purpose.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/news/you-can-now-thank-posters/

[Brumby]

How do you take my non participation in such a thread as a sign of ANY preference?

[Zero999]

From the other thread on the thank you counter, which is now closed.

Essentialy: post pictures of cute kittens or whatever the electronics engineering equivalent is...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-thanked-counter/msg4022422/#msg4022422
That's very true. The three users I'm aware of which have a >100% count to post ratio, achieved it by posting lots of nice pictures.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;sa=thanked;u=112036
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;sa=thanked;u=112711
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;sa=thanked;u=503178

They also joined after, or just before the thank you system was implemented.

[PlainName]

I think I would be more inclined to thank a post with pictures because the poster has taken a bit more trouble than usual to provide them, so there is a little bias from the off. And a few very thanked posts could skew the stats - over on Amazon my review rating jumped from 4 to 3 figures just on the basis of a single review that rather a lot of people tagged.

[thm_w]

I'm happy to do 50% of the females.

Or have I misunderstood the mission?

Too late, you've signed off.
Expect the ice to arrive shortly, try not to eat until you wake up in the tub.

[Brumby]

... ... ...
Why even go there?   

You were a member when Thanks were introduced although you did not participate in the announcement thread where not everyone at that time was for the idea yet it's been a good tool and served its purpose.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/news/you-can-now-thank-posters/

This statement still confounds me.

If you are saying that my non-participation in the announcement thread equates to my disapproval (which seems to be the only context that makes sense), then I respond as follows:
 1. How in the hell do you come to that conclusion?
 2. You couldn't be more wrong.  In fact, I remember reading that thread and thinking: "Oh ... OK" and I moved on, not giving it a second thought.

That change, as I see it, was adding a feature that did not have a bold objective.  It was simple recognition - with no particular value stated or inferred outside of a positive indication from other members.  It did make it possible for some posts to be replaced with a "Thanks" - and less posts make reading a thread easier.  Also, a list of members who thanked a post gave the reader an idea of how other members responded.  By not having a categorical definition of what "Thanks" means, there is no direct conclusion one can derive - other than:

I claim it works best when its definition is fuzzy/ambiguous but always positive, because when it matters, it forces one to consider the context.

.... and that it is just a personal opinion of a member ... at the time.


However, the subject of this thread is the "Experts" idea.  This has a much more authoritative objective.  The mechanism to achieve that objective has not been clearly defined, let alone agreed upon - and even if such a mechanism were found, there is still the question of whether it would be actually achieve the objective in the way that it was intended, which includes not facilitating counterproductive behaviour.

Even presuming such a solution were found, the question of administration stands out ... How much effort is required?  Who will do it?  What credentials would they need?  What liabilities are they - or Dave - exposed to?  And the list goes on...


Just to be clear, I am NOT against change - but before anything is implemented, the objectives and risks need to be well understood.

[Bud]

I'm perfectly happy with my sex, but thanks anyway.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

The new management, Mr. Lizard (praise be upon his scaliness), has mandated a 50/50 male to female ratio.
Someones got to do it.

I'm happy to do 50% of the females.

Or have I misunderstood the mission?

Prediction: it ill Never achieved that

[tautech]

How do you take my non participation in such a thread as a sign of ANY preference?

I don't. Period.
Instead I thought it useful to dig out the thread and link it for other members to examine the discussion at Thanks conception.

Sorry if you may have misunderstood that I may have implied your lack of participation implied your position on this matter is relevant when it is obviously not. Certainly I wasn't trying to provoke you.

[Brumby]

Ok.  The context inferred otherwise.  Nevertheless, such communication issues are not uncommon on a forum.


Moving on....

[7.83hz]

Hi All .
This may not be the best place for a newbie  . Being a fast reader I have over the few days been reading many interesting posts
Then I saw this after, 19 pages . I got totally confused ..
Thinking Yes I would like some help from an Experts  in electronic .
 Sorry I might be told this is not a good thing to say on a first post .  But I just have to say ..
I am so put off by so many Experts bickering amongst them selves  .
  The topic deviation has covered every angle  .. Without coming close to 1 sensible answer . Which some how is telling me
I am in the Wrong electronic forum 

[tggzzz]

Hi All .
This may not be the best place for a newbie  . Being a fast reader I have over the few days been reading many interesting posts
Then I saw this after, 19 pages . I got totally confused ..
Thinking Yes I would like some help from an Experts  in electronic .
 Sorry I might be told this is not a good thing to say on a first post .  But I just have to say ..
I am so put off by so many Experts bickering amongst them selves  .
  The topic deviation has covered every angle  .. Without coming close to 1 sensible answer . Which some how is telling me
I am in the Wrong electronic forum

Then ignore this thread and only look at the threads that are useful to you.

In life in general you will find people that tell you what to do and believe. Some of them are deliberately acting in their best interests, not yours - e.g. anybody pushing a product. Others imagine they are experts when they aren't; that's made famous as the Dunning Kruger syndrome.

As a rule of thumb, the more expert a person is, the more they realise how much they don't know - and so they are less likely to call themselves expert. Apart from that, I am "expert" in some topics, but a "beginner" in others. Therefore flagging me as "an expert" would be misleading in some cases, but not in others.

It is up to you to decide who to listen to. That is a key life skill which you need to develop.

[Ed.Kloonk]

Hi All .
This may not be the best place for a newbie  . Being a fast reader I have over the few days been reading many interesting posts
Then I saw this after, 19 pages . I got totally confused ..
Thinking Yes I would like some help from an Experts  in electronic .
 Sorry I might be told this is not a good thing to say on a first post .  But I just have to say ..
I am so put off by so many Experts bickering amongst them selves  .
  The topic deviation has covered every angle  .. Without coming close to 1 sensible answer . Which some how is telling me
I am in the Wrong electronic forum

Hi. Welcome to the forum.

This thread is in the general area and as such attracts the more lively members of the group. I'm sure you'll find that asking a question in the beginners section would be much less overwhelming.

Like most of us, I hope you enjoy your stay.

[Zero999]

I think I would be more inclined to thank a post with pictures because the poster has taken a bit more trouble than usual to provide them, so there is a little bias from the off. And a few very thanked posts could skew the stats - over on Amazon my review rating jumped from 4 to 3 figures just on the basis of a single review that rather a lot of people tagged.

I'm not putting down anyone who gets thanked for posting images. It's just an observation that it's very popular with people. I do think that posting an accurate, detailed article/essay is more worthwhile than a few pretty pictures, but it doesn't seem to be so popular, because it takes more time to read is and isn't as eye catching. The poster with the highest post/thanked ratio, Noopy, not only posts nice pictures of dies, but also detailed descriptions and schematics and they're not quick snaps: good die-shots take a lot of time and effort to produce.

Hi All .
This may not be the best place for a newbie  . Being a fast reader I have over the few days been reading many interesting posts
Then I saw this after, 19 pages . I got totally confused ..
Thinking Yes I would like some help from an Experts  in electronic .
 Sorry I might be told this is not a good thing to say on a first post .  But I just have to say ..
I am so put off by so many Experts bickering amongst them selves  .
  The topic deviation has covered every angle  .. Without coming close to 1 sensible answer . Which some how is telling me
I am in the Wrong electronic forum

Please don't let this thread put you off. Not everyone will agree on everything.

Good, you want advice from experts, but the consensus is it's difficult to determine the criteria to prove that a person is an expert. The results from the poll are against designating certain members as experts, because the term is quite vague and isn't helped by the fact that those with more knowledge have a greater awareness of their limitations and many people here are quite specialised. For example, someone might be an expert in embedded C programming, but comparatively inexperienced in a analogue design.

[Siwastaja]

I am so put off by so many Experts bickering amongst them selves  .
  The topic deviation has covered every angle  .. Without coming close to 1 sensible answer . Which some how is telling me
I am in the Wrong electronic forum

Well, maybe you are?

It depends on,
1) what you want?
2) are you ready to grow up and aim higher?

The strength of this forum is exactly that it matches the actual reality, where complex matters do not usually have a single, simple "answer". So different people focus on different sides of the story; put it all together, and your understanding grows. If you don't get an exact single answer, the reason usually is, because there is no such simple answer, and the question was actually complex.

The internet is full of forums that dedicate themselves into automating the process of finding "The Best Answer". The result is, they are much less useful when you want to build understanding. This understanding then helps you do pretty much anything.

Quick and easy answers are, sadly, often just wrong. Even when they are right, they will be pretty limited.

Also, this is actually a discussion forum. Not a question-answer forum, although most (but not all, by far!) discussions, especially in the Beginners subforum, are started by what seems to be just a simple question. But being a discussion forum, that question is being discussed, that's the whole point. It triggers some people; some people just can't stand it. If you are one of those, then this forum might not be for you. But, if you love discussing and learning, then... this is hard to surpass.

[7.83hz]

Well, maybe you are?

It depends on,
1) what you want?
2) are you ready to grow up and aim higher?

Answer to 1) That is a funny question and deserves a funny answer . Being an XAerospace now well in my 75 plus yrs.
                    I thought 7.83hz may have been an answer .
 Answer to 2) "are you ready to grow up and aim higher?"   80,000 feet is pretty high No . "grow up"    . Never.

[SiliconWizard]

Anyway, I think the whole point behind this topic is: if you can't handle discussions on a free forum (including the ability to judge or at least verify the relevance of given contributions), just don't participate or ask question in one. Go to school, hire a teacher or a mentor. 

[xrunner]

Answer to 1) That is a funny question and deserves a funny answer . Being an XAerospace now well in my 75 plus yrs.
                    I thought 7.83hz may have been an answer .

Didn't you know that should be written as 7.83 Hz ? 

[MK14]

I thought 7.83hz may have been an answer .

When you say 7.83 Hz, are you talking about scientific stuff, officially recognized, properly sourced research papers ?

Or is this about healing waves/stones, magnetic free energy machines, and Nikola Tesla's stuff ?

tl;dr
What is your take on 7.83 Hz ?