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Digi-Key has changed and it is not very good
asmi:
--- Quote from: drussell on December 03, 2020, 01:10:47 pm ---What's Mouser's shipping system to Canada usually like? I suppose I'll try them for my next order.
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100 CAD minimum for free shipping (and $20 if below that, so pad your orders!), DDP via Fedex, UPS or DHL, or DAP (though I don't know why would you even do that in presence of DDP). In my experience (Waterloo region, Ontario) Fedex is the best option, in 99% of cases I have order in my hands on the next business day after placing it. Since they ship from US, you've got to be wary about ordering export-controlled items as it may incur additional delays/require additional documentation. They have a sales office in Kitchener, ON if you need any assistance, and they were very helpful in those few cases when I needed support.
bombledmonk:
--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on December 02, 2020, 05:09:18 am ---One thing I noticed at work today: the part number search is now fuzzy. If I type in a part number that has a TI prefix (SN74), I explicitly do not want you to try and show me related/similar parts. I want parts that contain that string of characters only.
For example, if you type in SN74LVC1G07 for a SINGLE buffer, I get results including SN74LVC2G07 for a DUAL buffer and also SN74LVC3G07 TRIPLE buffers.
Or you type ATSAM4S into search, and the results include ATSAM3S MCUs in the results! |O
I can't find a rhyme or reason. Spent a while putting in partial resistor part numbers, and can't reproduce such problems in that category. I was a bit surprised to read through this thread without seeing other complaints about this...
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Fixes for the underlying issue were put into production today. It should behave better now for partial PN strings. Thanks for the feedback.
KE5FX:
--- Quote from: drussell on December 03, 2020, 01:10:47 pm ---If a manufacturer could just send on all their excess inventory for the likes of Digikey to "hold onto" for them until it's sold, what would stop them from just sloughing off all their stuff that doesn't move quickly, any unnecessary inventory that their major clients don't need today, off onto the likes of Digikey's free warehouse-my-shit program under your scenario....
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Again, consider the grocery-store model. Grocery store shelf space is carefully segmented by value based on presentation (prominent endcaps up front versus the back corner by the pharmacy) and access (products stocked at eye level versus on top of the freezers where you have to ask an employee for help). This space is rented to wholesalers at corresponding rates. On a square-foot basis, shelf space at your local grocery store is probably the most expensive real estate in town, except for maybe the ICU at the hospital.
DigiKey's endgame -- as well as Amazon's for that matter -- will be to collect similar rent from manufacturers as well as third-party "Marketplace" sellers. There is no question of them acting as a free warehouse or dumping ground for obsolete parts, that was never going to happen.
--- Quote ---That's NOT what they're doing with "marketplace." If I want one of the items they're hocking in their "marketplace" I will just go directly to that supplier and save the 25% cut that Digikey is trying to take. :palm: Digikey won't ever be warehousing any of this "marketplace" stuff!!! It will not be "fullfilled by Digikey" !! If it were, I would be able to order it directly from their stock!
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I'm not so sure. 'Fulfillment by DigiKey' is an important economic element in the overall business model. When's the last time you ordered only one or two line items from DigiKey? That's the value of owning a 2-million square foot warehouse -- one-stop shopping. When I'm building a prototype, I'm not going to place 300 orders with random vendors from Shenzhen to Syracuse, and I don't expect my EMS facility to do the same. Likewise, I'm not willing to pay for direct shipping from dozens of different sellers just because DigiKey happens to make it easy to order from them.
At the end of the day they have to hold the parts in stock. They just don't have to pay for them. In principle I have no beef with this. DigiKey will continue to run a large-scale warehousing operation, and that's fine. The problem is that they will eventually start commingling dubious products from marketplace sellers with prime merchandise, just as Amazon does. That seems to be necessary to make the whole scheme profitable.
--- Quote ---What's Mouser's shipping system to Canada usually like? I suppose I'll try them for my next order.
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I think it's a mistake to assume Mouser isn't working hard to implement similar plans. These companies need to understand three things:
* They are not Amazon
* They are never going to be Amazon
* Force-feeding a "Marketplace" model to their customers carries much more risk to them than it does to AmazonThat's why it's so important to make your feedback heard, loudly.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: KE5FX on December 03, 2020, 07:43:08 pm ---[...] The problem is that they will eventually start commingling dubious products from marketplace sellers with prime merchandise, just as Amazon does. [...]
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The other side of that coin is that GOOD products can also be available on a "Fulfillment by Digikey" basis. For example, you might one day be able to buy Keysight, Rigol, Keithley, and other known brands from the Digikey web site, get it delivered next day, with a sound return policy.
Bottom line, don't buy brands or products you don't like...
With Fulfilment by Amazon, sellers have to pay for the storage space they use... as a disincentive to letting stock pile up in Amazon warehouses. Digikey would obviously have to do the same.
ataradov:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 03, 2020, 08:56:54 pm ---one day be able to buy Keysight, Rigol, Keithley, and other known brands from the Digikey web site, get it delivered next day, with a sound return policy.
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I can already do with TEquipment and other reputable equipment suppliers. I would never buy equipment from DigiKey. I want to deal with people, whose entire business is based on selling equipment. If TEquipment fails to do a good job, they are out of business. If DK fails, they will just close that division and move on.
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 03, 2020, 08:56:54 pm ---Bottom line, don't buy brands or products you don't like...
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Because reputable brands are not being faked at all. And now you have to guess which FTDI chips you will get from the random marketplace supplier, which is effectively no different than a random dude on AliExpress.
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