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| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: beanflying on August 24, 2022, 11:25:07 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 24, 2022, 10:54:20 am --- Please don't attribute by implication to me things said by other people. And the one bit that you have accurately attributed to me I did say in Discord, not here. You're the one being deliberately inflammatory by posting stuff from people blowing off steam on Discord but who didn't post it here. Where's that moral high ground of yours now? I suspect that you've just burned bridges with some people who previously spoke quite well of you. --- End quote --- As Discord is linked in the opening part of the TEA thread and has been actively promoted by the members I regard this by extension content relevant to here and it is PUBLIC. You don't get to shit stir there then appear here to take pot shots at other members while claiming innocence. --- Quote ---My comments in the discussion about TEA thread are real BTW, I have struggled to find anything outside the TEA thread worth reading or engaging in. The same old twats picking pointless "not listening, here's my opinion" arguments - memberA and Member B andblog, someone etc. etc. and fuck all actual electronics content. --- End quote --- You are the one burning bridges HERE along with others which is childish over the inability to keep somewhere near on topic. --- End quote --- You just seem determined to sow as much discord (pun unavoidable) as you can. Discord isn't public, you need an invitation to join the discussion which very much implies it is less public than here. You had an invitation and you're abusing your privilege of being part of that forum to copy material from there to here merely it seems to score a few "nasty points". I'm not entirely surprised, when I or others have disagreed with you before you've been very quick to start swearing at people and throwing insults about. I stand by my opinion about where the forum has gone over the last year or two. What's so evil about me saying that I think the forum has in my opinion got a little bit shitty in general? I made the same comments in this thread, but without naming names of a few people as exemplars of dragging the general tone and utility of the place down. You notably miss quoting the bit where I talk about the general standard of discussion and behaviour having first discouraged me from, and finally made me stop, my former practice of daily looking though beginners to see if there was something I could help with. If you don't like my opinion, don't listen. I had already backed off the forum a lot, with the exception of the TEA thread, finding it had gone downhill. If you don't like that, well tough it's how I feel, but that's no excuse to try and escalate my partial disengagement and feeling of disenfranchisement into a personal feud. You seem to want to make it as personal as possible, throwing in insulting terms like childish when I've not addressed you in that fashion at all. In fact it's the persistent tolerance of your kind of style of brutish argument - personalised, insulting, dismissive - that has led me to become disillusioned with the forum. Tolerating that across the whole forum while forcefully and insensitively moderating the TEA topic for being what it has always been is disheartening. Burning bridges, me? No. Just noting that the bridge has seen better days and some new timber and a lick of paint is in order. And to continue the metaphor, hammering at one plank in it to find out that it's still actually sound, but pops out of the bridge while you're hammering on it, while ignoring the obvious rot in most of the other planks is not good bridge maintenance. Especially when someone then picks the perfectly good plank up off the river bed and installs it in their new bridge. Should I decide to completely divorce myself from the forum there are some people and some content I'll miss. What I wouldn't miss is the attitude that seems to have settled in of a few bully boys dominating most of the conversations on here and nothing being done about it. And before someone trots out the "you should report it" trope, no I shouldn't need to. It's obvious to all and sundry who the trolls, gainsayers, and argumentative people who dominate 90% of the threads on the forum are. They too rarely engage in actual electronics content, and when they do it's usually to be dismissive of what someone else has had to say. They could have been calmed down long ago, instead they have been left to become the backbone of the forum, and that's sad. |
| bd139:
I'll leave my departing comment mostly critical. Firstly, the regular community members asking for moderation when they are not involved in an off-topic segment. If they are involved in it, they do not ask for moderation. This happens all the time and is plain hypocrisy. Secondly, the moderators turn a blind eye to moderation under the same rules, evidenced by the numerous topics across the forum which moderators take part in regularly which are in violation of the forum policies. This is plain hypocrisy. Thirdly the non-participants and silent readers/lurkers reporting moderation is also somewhat hypocritical, no different from someone staring in your window and reporting you for a misdemeanour. These are the very worst characteristics of the human race embodied in a single event. Ultimately it's not an environment which is healthy for a community and participating in it I consider a risk going forward. |
| AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: beanflying on August 24, 2022, 09:54:26 am --- --- Quote from: m k on August 24, 2022, 09:07:06 am ---snip Since people as a group are not changing something else must. Regular user reporting is also continuing its route, generally people will mind their own businesses too long, it may change for a moment but it wont last. I've seen lieutenant moderator of sub-forum approaches but right minded folks are not so easy to find. Forum informants then has a bit negative tone. Here TEA thread was quite special in it self, being a community in a community, maybe even a bit deeper and very active. snip --- End quote --- Sorry but you are quite wrong about 'the group not changing' it absolutely has changed. It had become increasingly a sort of personal sandbox for a small handful of members posting ostensibly dribble from their daily lives and is far from what it was a few years ago where an off topic 'interesting post' might get dropped once or twice a day if that. Around 18 months ago a weekly Discord chat session was created as a weekly chewing the fat session for a more freeform chat on life the universe and everything rather than have those conversations in the thread. Interesting it may have actually had the reverse effect due to the conversation held there being more personal and really off topic rather than on TEA. I suspect the behaviour on Discord came back into the thread outside of that once a week session which might explain at least in part why this is a thing and the content had shifted so far and so often. --- End quote --- I could be mistaken but by saying "Since people as a group are not changing something else must", I believe mk is referring to the continued off-topic posts, after Moderator warnings? I tend to agree that there has been a "bleed-over" of content from the Discord to the TEA thread. |
| Saskia:
it would have been nice if this TEA stuff could have been expanded to: * purely test equipment * chitchat of the addicts (purely offtopic) * repair of vintage stuff (includes woodworking, etc for e.g. Pinballs, Arcades where the artwork plays a major role) * This would have given everybody a chance without alienating half of its general populace. * Ferengiing TE (aquire, ....) Seems to me that this opportunity is gone and too many bridges burnt though. |
| Per Hansson:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:41:39 pm --- --- Quote from: Zoli on August 23, 2022, 04:38:11 pm --- --- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:08:39 pm ---In hindsight this thread should not be locked yet, discussion needs to be open for suggestions on how weto proceed with the TEA thread here. Unlocked :) --- End quote --- Options which I see: 1. Held in place, try to keep on topic - it will lose a lot of the current spirit. 2. Move to general technical chat, and leave a link in the sticky place - this way I see a better chance to keep the original/current spirit. 3.-x... Once the choices are clear, maybe put up to vote? --- End quote --- I personally like #2 --- End quote --- Just a friendly warning from a fellow forum moderator: be careful about moving that thread without first having a full database backup. It has issues already due to its size: trying to use the "print preview" causes a HTTP 500 error. It would be a tremendous shame to loose the thread due to some database problem if it was attempted to be moved and that failed! |
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