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Discussing the usage of the TEA thread
Specmaster:
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--- Quote from: Zoli on August 23, 2022, 04:38:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:08:39 pm ---In hindsight this thread should not be locked yet, discussion needs to be open for suggestions on how weto proceed with the TEA thread here.
Unlocked :)
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Options which I see:
1. Held in place, try to keep on topic - it will lose a lot of the current spirit.
2. Move to general technical chat, and leave a link in the sticky place - this way I see a better chance to keep the original/current spirit.
3.-x...
Once the choices are clear, maybe put up to vote?
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I personally like #2
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The problem here is, that the same people who are currently dragging you into the fray, will still be there, where ever you put the thread as for some of those folk just seem to enjoy being killjoys, you come across them in every walk of life and their day is not complete until they have reported someone or something, they are the equivalent of a nosy parker neighbour, with not enough to occupy their minds, so they hide behind net curtains and become the neighbourhood whistleblower, the neighbour from hell, who is very often despised by the other neighbours. Those people need to remember that when they point a finger at someone, they have 3 of their own fingers pointing back at them.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---So, how about a rule that requires off topic posts to, at the very least, have the prefix "OT: " added at the beginning of the title whenever a post is about something not within the scope of the original, thread title?
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I think many times one doesn't think one's post is actually off topic. At least, not enough to warrant self-incrimination, which is how threads get derailed - it's a little bit at a time that ratchets up and before you know it you're down a rabbit hole. There wouldn't be a specific post you could point to and say, "There, that's the one that caused all this." More likely, the post closest to criticality would be a reply to a slightly, not quite off-topic line or two in an earlier post.
A problem here is that there is no real threading. In a properly threaded forum you could easily ignore (or prune if necessary) the branch that's not of interest whilst still remaining on the previous tack. But this is what it is, and it seems this style is all anyone wants to build nowadays.
Vince:
--- Quote from: Specmaster on August 24, 2022, 07:13:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:41:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zoli on August 23, 2022, 04:38:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:08:39 pm ---In hindsight this thread should not be locked yet, discussion needs to be open for suggestions on how weto proceed with the TEA thread here.
Unlocked :)
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Options which I see:
1. Held in place, try to keep on topic - it will lose a lot of the current spirit.
2. Move to general technical chat, and leave a link in the sticky place - this way I see a better chance to keep the original/current spirit.
3.-x...
Once the choices are clear, maybe put up to vote?
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I personally like #2
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The problem here is, that the same people who are currently dragging you into the fray, will still be there, where ever you put the thread as for some of those folk just seem to enjoy being killjoys, you come across them in every walk of life and their day is not complete until they have reported someone or something, they are the equivalent of a nosy parker neighbour, with not enough to occupy their minds, so they hide behind net curtains and become the neighbourhood whistleblower, the neighbour from hell, who is very often despised by the other neighbours. Those people need to remember that when they point a finger at someone, they have 3 of their own fingers pointing back at them.
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I disagree Spec ! As I said earlier, once the thread is moved to wherever the OT stuff is allowed... then whoever complains about OT stuff can just go get lost ! :popcorn:
They can report whatever OT stuff they like to the moderators, they won't have a "case"... rather the moderators would ban them in retaliation for spamming them with unfounded reports...
Have a bit of faith spec ! :-+
If anything, it's well worth giving it a try ! Nothing to lose, and everything to win ! :popcorn:
factory:
--- Quote from: Vince on August 24, 2022, 06:06:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 24, 2022, 05:50:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: Per Hansson on August 24, 2022, 05:48:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:41:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zoli on August 23, 2022, 04:38:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 04:08:39 pm ---In hindsight this thread should not be locked yet, discussion needs to be open for suggestions on how weto proceed with the TEA thread here.
Unlocked :)
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Options which I see:
1. Held in place, try to keep on topic - it will lose a lot of the current spirit.
2. Move to general technical chat, and leave a link in the sticky place - this way I see a better chance to keep the original/current spirit.
3.-x...
Once the choices are clear, maybe put up to vote?
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I personally like #2
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Just a friendly warning from a fellow forum moderator: be careful about moving that thread without first having a full database backup.
It has issues already due to its size: trying to use the "print preview" causes a HTTP 500 error.
It would be a tremendous shame to loose the thread due to some database problem if it was attempted to be moved and that failed!
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[...] Moving a thread otoh is as simple as changing the thread's parent ID in the first post in the database, it's a reference to the parent, it doesn't actually move anything.
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Great to hear !
Let's do that then, let's move TEA to a different part of the forum where the OT stuff would not be frown upon, and in 5 minutes TEA can resume business as usual with the peace of mind that if anyone ever complains about OT stuff, he can be legitimately told to get lost.
Or just edit the title of the thread to " TEA chat room, OT inside ", and that's all..... or do both, I don't know.... I don't see the need for all the drama that's been going on last night. Only problem I see here, is some people complaining about OT stuff. So let's just make it so that OT now becomes "legal" and problem gone.
Those who want an actual, dry, technical, dull boring thread are of course most welcome to start a new thread of their own.... how is that difficult ? I am sure there are tens of threads being created every day on this forum (well I guess... ), so it's not like this would be a major event...
This takes only 5 minutes to solve, click, click click and click click click click... something like that, I don't know I am no forum admin... but surely renaming and moving a thread is basic stuff for any forum software, I would think !
So let's do that and resume our TEA activities.... shall we ? Please ? ;D
Thanks in advance ! ;D :-+
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Wouldn't moving the thread break all the links to that thread? Not that moving it would help much, as many regulars seem to have deserted the TEA thread already. Personally I have zero interest in joining any groups on .io.
David
pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: Specmaster on August 24, 2022, 06:02:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 23, 2022, 12:36:58 pm ---... Think therapy. ...
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....
The clue is in the title "Test Equipment Anonymous", it is more of a self-help group for those that are addicted to collecting old test equipment.
....
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Preaching to the choir here. See my posts after the first warnings about off topic in the TEA. For me it has always been clear that it is therapeutic.
But I also understand the point of view of others who argue that the site is about electronics engineering. Hence the name EEVblog. So we end up with a difficult situation that got out of hand.
As I have not read much of the thread lately I can't judge on what happened, but I can certainly understand a lot of it from both sides of the fence. And I think the regulars should be honest and acknowledge that the off topic started to get out of control. Anger about how it has been dealt with I can also understand but some of the grief towards gnif in this case was uncalled for. But that is my opinion.
Time will tell how things evolve.
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