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Discussing the usage of the TEA thread
Black Phoenix:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:56:53 pm ---While I don't think the OP of the TEA thread (bitseeker) was doing anything wrong/odd, it does feel like those that knew of these things were manipulating things/pouring fuel on the fire, to force/justify a move so they could create their own club. Again though, this is just my 2c and I could be completely wrong here...
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Do it really matter for the situation? As Dave always told that if people don't feel OK here they are free to go. No one forces anyone to stay in a place they dislike.
If someone wants to have their new "garden" because they thing the old one is not being taken care properly they are free of doing it. No need for conspiracy or undercover reasons.
Gnif, you've done nothing wrong in this situation to be sincere. Probably a little out of touch but you were following what you thought was right. You apologise and even step down form your position as a mod.
You were an adult in taking your decisions and pointing your mistakes. Case close, let's keep doing what we kept doing before, keeping this community growing and this "treasure trove" of knowledge online and in good health.
Brumby:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 07:00:52 am ---Also note, with Dave's approval I would have been more then happy to provide a database export and image archive of that thread ... ... (I am also not sure about the legal ramifications of this as there may be privacy issues with posts made by now inactive members that don't wish to see their content on another forum/site).
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While I concede that all the content I have contributed is in the public domain, I am comfortable that I have control of it while it is still within the EEVblog and if anything appears elsewhere, it has been done without my approval.
Having a formal copy handed over to another group with which I have no business does not sit well at all. As such, I would prefer such an action not happen.
Neper:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:26:53 pm ---I have to agree, there are posts about electronic related devices/things, a bit of banter about those things and some additions/items of interest in relation to those things, and then it moved onto another topic.
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Utterly charming. Just missing a few geraniums and a set of garden gnomes.
SCNR
gnif:
--- Quote from: Black Phoenix on August 26, 2022, 02:52:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:56:53 pm ---While I don't think the OP of the TEA thread (bitseeker) was doing anything wrong/odd, it does feel like those that knew of these things were manipulating things/pouring fuel on the fire, to force/justify a move so they could create their own club. Again though, this is just my 2c and I could be completely wrong here...
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Do it really matter for the situation? As Dave always told that if people don't feel OK here they are free to go. No one forces anyone to stay in a place they dislike.
If someone wants to have their new "garden" because they thing the old one is not being taken care properly they are free of doing it. No need for conspiracy or undercover reasons.
Gnif, you've done nothing wrong in this situation to be sincere. Probably a little out of touch but you were following what you thought was right. You apologise and even step down form your position as a mod.
You were an adult in taking your decisions and pointing your mistakes. Case close, let's keep doing what we kept doing before, keeping this community growing and this "treasure trove" of knowledge online and in good health.
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Well said and point taken, thanks :)
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:56:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: factory on August 26, 2022, 01:51:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 07:00:52 am ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 06:39:39 am ---Since all this went down I have been informed that there is a TEA domain that was registered when we had the outage from the fire at the datacenter, and that there is one, perhaps two "backup" copies of atleast the TEA thread someone has been keeping a copy of for this. That incident was 8 Apr 2021, more than a year ago! Well before I felt the need to step in here and try to bring things back on track. I also have seen talk in your own new TEA community forum of trailing out other platforms/software in order to move.
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Also note, with Dave's approval I would have been more then happy to provide a database export and image archive of that thread to assist your community to migrate if you had just asked. While I will still do it if Dave requests it of me, I have zero motivation to do so unless instructed to (I am also not sure about the legal ramifications of this as there may be privacy issues with posts made by now inactive members that don't wish to see their content on another forum/site).
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These backups were discussed in the thread, by those making them, I believe the datacentre fire and problems with an update (something to do with the long standing inline picture posting problem) are the main reasons.
David
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Yup, which I fully understand. However the domain registration, the fact that the groups.io tea forum was created two days prior to things blowing up, and mentions in the new forums that they had already been exploring options to me do not add up. While I don't think the OP of the TEA thread (bitseeker) was doing anything wrong/odd, it does feel like those that knew of these things were manipulating things/pouring fuel on the fire, to force/justify a move so they could create their own club. Again though, this is just my 2c and I could be completely wrong here...
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My understanding is that the original denizens, who created and made the therapy group what it was, were becoming unhappy with attempts to change the flavour of the group. I believe bitseeker was surprised to have had to start using the groups.io group so abruptly and so soon. Hence it looks like setting up the groups.io group was classic "disaster planning", with the "disaster" happening unexpectedly.
There is certainly feeling that some people remaining on this forum "gamed" the reporting and moderation mechanism to change the thread away from therapy. I'm agnostic, but it can't be dismissed out of hand.
Personally I have a dislike for situations in which newcomers waltz into a situation and decide they don't like the situation and will therefore agitate to change it to suit themselves. Doubly so if it isn't done in public but is done by behind the scenes complaints to mummy/daddy/deity/HumanResources/whatever. I've seen that kind of thing happen in many spheres, including religious/cultural organisations, workplaces, political organisations, and social clubs. The resulting schisms are always unpleasant and have unpleasant consequences.
However, nothing is black and white. Before jumping in with kneejerk responses, please read my earlier posts which outline more of the nuances in my position, e.g.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4377424/#msg4377424
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4378024/#msg4378024
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4379395/#msg4379395
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