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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Squarewave on August 26, 2022, 06:14:58 pm ---I didn't assert, that was my opinion. You're allowed your opinion too of course.

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You did make an assertion; have a look at dictionary definitions of the word, e.g. "transitive verb To state or express positively; affirm."

I have no doubt your assertion is also your opinion.

Squarewave:
We're kind of going off into, 'my opinion is that your opinion was an assertion'.

I'm not asserting anything. At the end of the day, it boils down to a bunch of guys, discussing an internet forum, on an internet forum.

I suspect I'm not taking this as seriously as some are, hence my opinion, being taken as an assertion, by others who feel that their opinion is more worthy. If it is more worthy, have it, I'm going to be all that fussed.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Squarewave on August 26, 2022, 06:52:54 pm ---We're kind of going off into, 'my opinion is that your opinion was an assertion'.

I'm not asserting anything. At the end of the day, it boils down to a bunch of guys, discussing an internet forum, on an internet forum.

I suspect I'm not taking this as seriously as some are, hence my opinion, being taken as an assertion, by others who feel that their opinion is more worthy. If it is more worthy, have it, I'm going to be all that fussed.

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You were asserting your opinion. If you claim you are not asserting something, please state the definition of the words you are using, as per Humpty Dumpty.

From a well known book that many children (used to) read: Through the Looking Glass...
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Squarewave:
I think it's time for a beer.

GreyWoolfe:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 26, 2022, 03:48:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:56:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: factory on August 26, 2022, 01:51:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 07:00:52 am ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 06:39:39 am ---Since all this went down I have been informed that there is a TEA domain that was registered when we had the outage from the fire at the datacenter, and that there is one, perhaps two "backup" copies of atleast the TEA thread someone has been keeping a copy of for this. That incident was 8 Apr 2021, more than a year ago! Well before I felt the need to step in here and try to bring things back on track. I also have seen talk in your own new TEA community forum of trailing out other platforms/software in order to move.

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Also note, with Dave's approval I would have been more then happy to provide a database export and image archive of that thread to assist your community to migrate if you had just asked. While I will still do it if Dave requests it of me, I have zero motivation to do so unless instructed to (I am also not sure about the legal ramifications of this as there may be privacy issues with posts made by now inactive members that don't wish to see their content on another forum/site).

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These backups were discussed in the thread, by those making them, I believe the datacentre fire and problems with an update (something to do with the long standing inline picture posting problem) are the main reasons.

David

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Yup, which I fully understand. However the domain registration, the fact that the groups.io tea forum was created two days prior to things blowing up, and mentions in the new forums that they had already been exploring options to me do not add up. While I don't think the OP of the TEA thread (bitseeker) was doing anything wrong/odd, it does feel like those that knew of these things were manipulating things/pouring fuel on the fire, to force/justify a move so they could create their own club. Again though, this is just my 2c and I could be completely wrong here...

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My understanding is that the original denizens, who created and made the therapy group what it was, were becoming unhappy with attempts to change the flavour of the group. I believe bitseeker was surprised to have had to start using the groups.io group so abruptly and so soon. Hence it looks like setting up the groups.io group was classic "disaster planning", with the "disaster" happening unexpectedly.

There is certainly feeling that some people remaining on this forum "gamed" the reporting and moderation mechanism to change the thread away from therapy. I'm agnostic, but it can't be dismissed out of hand.

Personally I have a dislike for situations in which newcomers waltz into a situation and decide they don't like the situation and will therefore agitate to change it to suit themselves. Doubly so if it isn't done in public but is done by behind the scenes complaints to mummy/daddy/deity/HumanResources/whatever. I've seen that kind of thing happen in many spheres, including religious/cultural organisations, workplaces, political organisations, and social clubs. The resulting schisms are always unpleasant and have unpleasant consequences.

However, nothing is black and white. Before jumping in with kneejerk responses, please read my earlier posts which outline more of the nuances in my position, e.g.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4377424/#msg4377424
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4378024/#msg4378024
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4379395/#msg4379395

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Not having the energy to go back and look through a metric ton of posts, I think gnif said that there were 15 complaints.  What is unknown is if they are newbies, old mustache petes or SJWs.  The mere fact that 15 people could completely derail a thread the size of TEA, seems a bit disturbing.  Gnif, if I am wrong on the counts, please correct me.  Watching the thread the past couple of days, after being around for years with all that went on in the thread, it suddenly seems a bit sterile.  I still plan to be around lurking as I have been and commenting where I was able but it still is sad to see the change.  gnif, sorry you found yourself in such an untenable situation, you felt obliged to step down as moderator.  I have seen through the years how mods are generally treated in threads when they are forced to step in and I don't envy the position.  Keep fighting the good fight, sir.

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