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factory:

--- Quote from: GreyWoolfe on August 26, 2022, 08:35:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 26, 2022, 03:48:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:56:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: factory on August 26, 2022, 01:51:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 07:00:52 am ---
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 06:39:39 am ---Since all this went down I have been informed that there is a TEA domain that was registered when we had the outage from the fire at the datacenter, and that there is one, perhaps two "backup" copies of atleast the TEA thread someone has been keeping a copy of for this. That incident was 8 Apr 2021, more than a year ago! Well before I felt the need to step in here and try to bring things back on track. I also have seen talk in your own new TEA community forum of trailing out other platforms/software in order to move.

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Also note, with Dave's approval I would have been more then happy to provide a database export and image archive of that thread to assist your community to migrate if you had just asked. While I will still do it if Dave requests it of me, I have zero motivation to do so unless instructed to (I am also not sure about the legal ramifications of this as there may be privacy issues with posts made by now inactive members that don't wish to see their content on another forum/site).

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These backups were discussed in the thread, by those making them, I believe the datacentre fire and problems with an update (something to do with the long standing inline picture posting problem) are the main reasons.

David

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Yup, which I fully understand. However the domain registration, the fact that the groups.io tea forum was created two days prior to things blowing up, and mentions in the new forums that they had already been exploring options to me do not add up. While I don't think the OP of the TEA thread (bitseeker) was doing anything wrong/odd, it does feel like those that knew of these things were manipulating things/pouring fuel on the fire, to force/justify a move so they could create their own club. Again though, this is just my 2c and I could be completely wrong here...

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My understanding is that the original denizens, who created and made the therapy group what it was, were becoming unhappy with attempts to change the flavour of the group. I believe bitseeker was surprised to have had to start using the groups.io group so abruptly and so soon. Hence it looks like setting up the groups.io group was classic "disaster planning", with the "disaster" happening unexpectedly.

There is certainly feeling that some people remaining on this forum "gamed" the reporting and moderation mechanism to change the thread away from therapy. I'm agnostic, but it can't be dismissed out of hand.

Personally I have a dislike for situations in which newcomers waltz into a situation and decide they don't like the situation and will therefore agitate to change it to suit themselves. Doubly so if it isn't done in public but is done by behind the scenes complaints to mummy/daddy/deity/HumanResources/whatever. I've seen that kind of thing happen in many spheres, including religious/cultural organisations, workplaces, political organisations, and social clubs. The resulting schisms are always unpleasant and have unpleasant consequences.

However, nothing is black and white. Before jumping in with kneejerk responses, please read my earlier posts which outline more of the nuances in my position, e.g.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4377424/#msg4377424
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4378024/#msg4378024
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4379395/#msg4379395

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Not having the energy to go back and look through a metric ton of posts, I think gnif said that there were 15 complaints.  What is unknown is if they are newbies, old mustache petes or SJWs.  The mere fact that 15 people could completely derail a thread the size of TEA, seems a bit disturbing.  Gnif, if I am wrong on the counts, please correct me.  Watching the thread the past couple of days, after being around for years with all that went on in the thread, it suddenly seems a bit sterile.  I still plan to be around lurking as I have been and commenting where I was able but it still is sad to see the change.  gnif, sorry you found yourself in such an untenable situation, you felt obliged to step down as moderator.  I have seen through the years how mods are generally treated in threads when they are forced to step in and I don't envy the position.  Keep fighting the good fight, sir.

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Really I'm not surprized, those that spent a lot of time posting, also seem to be those that have left. Guess it might be quiet soon, I won't be able to contribute much once I return to work next week, I suffer from fatigue and find it difficult to get much done in the evenings after work, TE, forums, etc, some days are worse than others. This is another reason why I don't want to join another forum, there just isn't enough time to look them all. let alone contribute as well.

David
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 26, 2022, 08:50:42 pm ---I'm still puzzled by the fact that if you don't like what's going on in a thread you feel the need to report it  :-// Just move on, don't read it, there is enough on the www to enjoy.

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Knowing what to skip is an essential modern skill.

Non contributors trying to change a thread by the backdoors is reprehensible. I have zero respect for people that wail to mummy/deity/HR/etc that little Bobby is being mean/rude/etc.

Is that a serious problem? It is getting that way in society in general; I hope not here.

Having said that, in this case the situation is not black and white, but shades of grey. There was a little behaviour that needed correcting, and perhaps the TEA thread and its denizens had outgrown this forum and a schism was inevitable and necessary.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: GreyWoolfe on August 26, 2022, 09:15:50 pm ---These people believe if they can shout you down, then they are right.

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Worse: that if you are down then they are up.

Variant: getting egoboos from causing changes for changes' sake. We have all seen that in workplace/politics/religion and elsewhwre. That's no better than a dog pissing to mark its territory.

Variant: youngsters thinking that newer => better, and that they know everybody else will be improved by changing to their newest geegaw.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: factory on August 26, 2022, 09:33:38 pm ---Really I'm not surprized, those that spent a lot of time posting, also seem to be those that have left. Guess it might be quiet soon, I won't be able to contribute much once I return to work next week, I suffer from fatigue and find it difficult to get much done in the evenings after work, TE, forums, etc, some days are worse than others. This is another reason why I don't want to join another forum, there just isn't enough time to look them all. let alone contribute as well.

David

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Time will tell whether one/both/neither place will flourish.

There's a lot of hyperventilating at the moment, as is to be expected.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: tautech on August 26, 2022, 08:52:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: GreyWoolfe on August 26, 2022, 08:35:04 pm ---Not having the energy to go back and look through a metric ton of posts, I think gnif said that there were 15 complaints.  What is unknown is if they are newbies, old mustache petes or SJWs.  The mere fact that 15 people could completely derail a thread the size of TEA, seems a bit disturbing.  Gnif, if I am wrong on the counts, please correct me.

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This should be of great concern however the larger worry is how to properly manage/protect the forum from the possibility of newbie attacks ?
As it's a darn long time since I was a newbie do we have any reporting constraints on anyone newly signed up ?
We're a newbie until 5 posts are reached but at 5 can we judge a newbie to have sufficient experience here to report those with say 10k posts under their belt ?
That don't seem right to me !

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Makes perfect sense to me. Whether you have 1 post or a million posts, misbehaviour is misbehaviour so it should be dealt with equally regardless of the number of posts. This still is Dave's forum, his rules go and we should respect that. There is a lot of leniency in how this forum is moderated but enough is enough at some point.

Overall I'm surprised with all the drama that has developed appearantly... maybe some are watching too many rerurns of BH 90210... Geez  :popcorn:
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