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| Specmaster:
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 26, 2022, 05:04:49 am --- --- Quote from: Neper on August 25, 2022, 10:01:18 pm ---When someone has so notoriously treated TEA to the kind of OT stuff that really upsets the moderators, from explosives and firearms (cited literally by gnif among his reasons for intervening) to the most bizarre political statements, and this person then has the gall to publicly complain about purported 'PC' and 'wokeness', one should be allowed to give them a piece of one's mind. --- End quote --- You are absolutely right about that you are allowed to express your feelings, but there are ways to do it without being offensive. Simply stating that the whole ordeal had nothing to do with woke or political correctness, would have sufficed. The same applies to what Saskia and others wrote. One of the reasons why I like this forum is the lack of "mud slinging" like these examples. And yes gnif pointed out that it where explosives that tipped the situation into what happened, but to me it seems that you still don't get that it did not upset the moderators. It upset the general public. It was them who poked the moderators to take action. --- End quote --- Hmm, and gnif also cited bomb making, something which I have never seen in the thread, explosives has come from old caps being destroyed by the application of excessive voltage or the application of AC volts, which is I hear is pretty common and boys do love their bangers, but always in the right safe location and gun talk, was again largely in the context of target shooting as a sport because there was a member who is an active sports shooter, and correct me if I'm wrong, but shooting is actually an Olympic sport? All work and no play makes Jack a very dull boy indeed. |
| Specmaster:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 01:56:53 pm --- --- Quote from: factory on August 26, 2022, 01:51:50 pm --- --- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 07:00:52 am --- --- Quote from: gnif on August 26, 2022, 06:39:39 am ---Since all this went down I have been informed that there is a TEA domain that was registered when we had the outage from the fire at the datacenter, and that there is one, perhaps two "backup" copies of atleast the TEA thread someone has been keeping a copy of for this. That incident was 8 Apr 2021, more than a year ago! Well before I felt the need to step in here and try to bring things back on track. I also have seen talk in your own new TEA community forum of trailing out other platforms/software in order to move. --- End quote --- Also note, with Dave's approval I would have been more then happy to provide a database export and image archive of that thread to assist your community to migrate if you had just asked. While I will still do it if Dave requests it of me, I have zero motivation to do so unless instructed to (I am also not sure about the legal ramifications of this as there may be privacy issues with posts made by now inactive members that don't wish to see their content on another forum/site). --- End quote --- These backups were discussed in the thread, by those making them, I believe the datacentre fire and problems with an update (something to do with the long standing inline picture posting problem) are the main reasons. David --- End quote --- Yup, which I fully understand. However the domain registration, the fact that the groups.io tea forum was created two days prior to things blowing up, and mentions in the new forums that they had already been exploring options to me do not add up. While I don't think the OP of the TEA thread (bitseeker) was doing anything wrong/odd, it does feel like those that knew of these things were manipulating things/pouring fuel on the fire, to force/justify a move so they could create their own club. Again though, this is just my 2c and I could be completely wrong here... --- End quote --- That was just pure coincidence. It was I think an idea that sprung out of that large outage from the fire a couple of years ago and also from that fact that it was becoming clear that there was a misconception about the nature of the thread and that has got steadily worse with the increased exposure it received following the decision to make it a sticky and Dave referring to it a few times in his video blog. I also don't think that the previous moderating attempt had a positive effect other than to help resolve the situation to take the OT chatter away from the thread to a new home. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: GreyWoolfe ---The mere fact that 15 people could completely derail a thread the size of TEA, seems a bit disturbing. --- End quote --- Perhaps it's surprising that there were (apparently) 15 people complaining to the mods. Typically, one tends to just wade into arguments and have one's say (because it's easy), so escalating to a mod would be unusual. In real media, 15 complaints from an audience of a million or two would be a Big Deal, and that's when complaining to a regulator is the only way to have your opinion heard. --- Quote from: tautech ---We're a newbie until 5 posts are reached but at 5 can we judge a newbie to have sufficient experience here to report those with say 10k posts under their belt ? --- End quote --- Does quantity trump quality, then? Is it impossible for someone to ever have a good opinion if it's different to someone with, say, 10 posts more? Just how many posts does it take to be accepted as an equal here? |
| beanflying:
Before peoples selective recollections and outright miss telling of facts gets any worse try going back to when and WHY Dave initially stepped in after a particularly Off Topic mess that generated the reports to start with. It was not reports of someone posting AFTER THAT about a broken Washing machine or a Cool XYZ they saw on line at all this is a complete FICTION. What developed was increased scrutiny to see IF the thread had got back toward more balanced content AS DAVE asked for (it never was 4 or 5 years ago just Test Gear but it was more like 25% OT) instead of majority OT. This is not made up or exaggerated this is just simple fact. This request was openly ignored either wilfully or deliberately by a minority because there sandpit actually did have rules to follow like the entire forum and was not immune. A vocal minority then went after that moderation publically in a series of escaliations getting us to where it is now. To be VERY CLEAR it was the Off Topic posts by a select segment of TEA contributors that caused, fed and then ultimately went up in flames it was certainly not aggressive or heavy handed Moderation or Mods raising the Temperature as we have seen here in the past of a 'very few occasions'. Anytime member(s) goes into open and wilful defiance or is continually belligerent the owner/mods of a Forum and it's rules in a Dick swinging contest it is never going to end well. |
| bitseeker:
Seeing various questions come up, hopefully this is helpful. Thanks to those who also helped with answers in prior posts. TEA Q & A Q: Were recent events intended or accelerated to justify moving? A: No. If that was "the plan," I wasn't ready for it. Choosing and setting up the right forum for a community is a non-trivial, time-consuming endeavor. Q: Why did you make a backup of the TEA thread? A: This began after the data center fire. It scared us a lot. So, after everything was back to normal, I started making periodic, incremental backups of our content in the thread. Timestamps were tracked to avoid fetching the same thing multiple times. It was a slow crawl with a 2-second delay between GET requests. Given the number of requests a single page requires for all its elements, it moves along at a snail's pace, but the goal is not to negatively impact the forum. Now that TEA has moved, there's no need to back it up anymore. Q: Are you going to duplicate the thread elsewhere? A: Not as long as it exists here. It's bad for SEO to publish duplicate content. We built the thread here, so there's no need to have it elsewhere. We can always link to posts within it. Q: I heard some people want to delete their content. Is that true? A: No. During a time of high stress, some people blow off a lot of steam. Take what you hear with a grain of salt. We invested an inordinate amount of time and energy to build the thread. We're not going to destroy our own creation. As others have attested, there's a lot of good stuff in there. Q: Why do you have domains for TEA? A: This was also related to the fire. By having the domains, if something catastrophic happened, it'd be easy to point to a new location so folks wouldn't be left hanging. The domains originally pointed to the TEA thread here. Now they point to the TEA forum. Q: Why did you choose groups.io? A: It wasn't a vetted choice, unfortunately. Since there are already test equipment forums on groups.io, I figured I'd check it out in case the growing friction continued to be a problem. Then things went south in a hurry and a half-baked home was all I had to work with. Its UX has a lot to be desired, as we all found out afterward, but it's operational and has some useful bits. Q: Why not just do A, B or C with the thread rather than move? A: Because a single thread isn't the right solution. If you want to post about test equipment, it should go into the Test Equipment forum. If you want to post about a repair of test equipment, it should go into the Repair forum. If you want to chat about something else technical, it should go into the General Technical Chat forum. That's how EEVblog works. Putting your on-topic content at the bottom of a 130000-post thread is not beneficial to the poster nor the various forums here. |
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