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Brumby:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 27, 2022, 03:15:59 pm ---As someone else pointed out the number 15+ was in a post of gnif.
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Context?


--- Quote ---And just to kill some time (too tired to work on my project) I tracked back in the thread to page 5223 and looked at who posted in the time up to and little beyond the moderator step in.


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wolfgang
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capt bullshot
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vince
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What's that all about?  It's like trying to describe submarine activity by reporting all the ships on the surface.


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24 members and from these only a few who have high activity rates. Compared to 15+ complainers the numbers start to look a bit more grim I would say.

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Where did this number of complainers come from?


Look, I get that we all have a curiosity about the ins and outs of what happened, but for those of us who have been involved with the TEA thread for any length of time, what happened overall is no real mystery.

You are never going to get accurate data of the nature of what has been speculated above, so I would suggest its time to give it a rest.  If you have "unanswered questions" then I highly recommend you make peace with them and move on.

pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: tautech on August 27, 2022, 08:22:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 27, 2022, 06:34:39 pm ---Also gnif mentioned, in his maybe slip of the tongue, that the 15+ members that complained had 1000+ posts. So no newbies >:D

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4376107/#msg4376107


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That he did not say.
Go back and study the link you presented and the context gnif's comments are made in.

The 15+ members are those that were offering support about the moderators efforts.

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Rereading gnif's post you can see that these members wanted the problem resolved. That is not offering support, that is requesting a solution.


--- Quote ---No complainers, many frequent (15+ so far) users with 1000+ posts explaining their desire to see this resolved.

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As to Brumby's questions:


--- Quote ---Context?
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https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4383196/#msg4383196
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4383487/#msg4383487


--- Quote ---What's that all about?  It's like trying to describe submarine activity by reporting all the ships on the surface.
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It is a list of members that shows who have been posting in the TEA thread in the time of the alleged problem postings. In light of the number of people requesting the issue resolved, I was interested in seeing how many members were actually active in the thread, because of the talk about it being unfair that so few got the power to influence the lives of so many. Where in fact it is just about a small group that is bothered by it.


--- Quote ---Where did this number of complainers come from?
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See above. My bad for calling them complainers where I should have called them requester to get things sorted.


--- Quote ---Look, I get that we all have a curiosity about the ins and outs of what happened, but for those of us who have been involved with the TEA thread for any length of time, what happened overall is no real mystery.

You are never going to get accurate data of the nature of what has been speculated above, so I would suggest its time to give it a rest.  If you have "unanswered questions" then I highly recommend you make peace with them and move on.

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It is just my natural curiosity that has an interest in analyzing this. Kind of a social study  :)



wilfred:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 28, 2022, 04:37:09 am ---I was interested in seeing how many members were actually active in the thread, because of the talk about it being unfair that so few got the power to influence the lives of so many. Where in fact it is just about a small group that is bothered by it.

It is just my natural curiosity that has an interest in analyzing this. Kind of a social study  :)

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That's not unique to the TEA thread. Some years ago I had similar questions and there were a spate of threads similar to the "diversity etc" thread active now. So I extracted the posters and the frequency to find out just how widespread the activity therein was across the total members on the forum. I'd consistently find 50% or more of posts in a thread were the top 10 by frequency with EEVBLOG at the top. I wouldn't be surprised to find similar results today.

I was trying to see just why there was such a proliferation (at that time) of threads mired in social (in)justice and/or politics when both were OT and frowned upon. I came to the conclusion in spite of closing these threads down and moderating them publicly Dave in fact has quite a bit of interest in the subject. So it will never end.

Dave has said this in the Diversity thread

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 26, 2022, 01:44:55 am ---
--- Quote from: fourfathom on August 26, 2022, 12:46:22 am ---Is there an active forum thread where old-timers and newbies can share stories and advice?  That would be fun, and we're dragging this one into major thread-drift.

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I don't think so?
Feel free to start one, it's technically off-topic but I think it's interesting.

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--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 23, 2022, 11:56:48 am ---
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 23, 2022, 11:33:59 am ---
--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 23, 2022, 11:02:48 am ---We all know US politics is bullshit... and hot things are hot... let's not stray off-topic.

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How do you suggest we discuss identity politics, without politics?
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We could also all agree that the general poltics side of it is done, and just keep it to engineering industry related matters and/or personal stories and advice going forward maybe?
The OP is after all after advice and is sharing his personal story.

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So the small group that has a tendency to run these threads on at some length know quite well Dave is very lenient on them and in seeking to avoid quickly clamping down on them. Hence even those who only read them can't help but pick up on the zeitgeist as far as politics is concerned. Dave even finds it hard to avoid politics in his live streams. That's a better place for them but it still sends the mixed message.

And  in the past I have also formed the belief that it is always a very small number of members who will pile in on threads they see drifting in an unwelcome direction. So I'd tend to agree with the observation "about it being unfair that so few got the power to influence the lives of so many". It has always been that way. The few generally being frequent contributors seem to carry a good deal of influence over others.

pcprogrammer:
You are absolutely right that when Dave is on board things get way more leniency, but it is mostly in dedicated threads, at least for as far as I have seen and been around, so the burden on the "general public" is way less. When you have no interest in the subject just stay away from the thread. And it is just that the TEA thread has so many different topics still within the general theme that a lot of members like to check what is being written and then get frustrated due to so much "crap" to wade through.

Things like "I went to see this movie and it was not to my expectation" can hardly be seen on topic when it comes to test equipment addiction, even though it might be therapeutic for the poster in question.


--- Quote from: wilfred on August 28, 2022, 05:46:22 am ---And  in the past I have also formed the belief that it is always a very small number of members who will pile in on threads they see drifting in an unwelcome direction. So I'd tend to agree with the observation "about it being unfair that so few got the power to influence the lives of so many". It has always been that way. The few generally being frequent contributors seem to carry a good deal of influence over others.

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And yes, when you turn the table round it is indeed a small group with their attitude of this thread is ours affecting many others. Well I think order has been restored. Hopefully the members who left will still share some of their time to share their knowledge here to help the ones with need for it.

m k:

--- Quote from: tautech on August 27, 2022, 08:22:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 27, 2022, 06:34:39 pm ---Also gnif mentioned, in his maybe slip of the tongue, that the 15+ members that complained had 1000+ posts. So no newbies >:D

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/discussing-the-usage-of-the-tea-thread/msg4376107/#msg4376107


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That he did not say.
Go back and study the link you presented and the context gnif's comments are made in.

The 15+ members are those that were offering support about the moderators efforts.

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Today my head missed "No complainers" part and had combined the numbers reply "feeling" with one earlier one that didn't have those numbers.

Mixed message will be one permanent originator of these things.
First you read and then maybe think that maybe you should give something back and contribute a bit.
Later it goes upside down, your involvement and contribution becomes a primary thing.
Then soup is ready when earlier invisible staff hops in.

Since self moderation can only work if all parties are willingly obeying dedicated moderators among contributors can be one solution.
Must be more than one and more than one must accept the action, from different time zones would also be nice.
Their somehow soften status wouldn't be bad either, maybe one(1st) blue square would do the trick.
Contributing member with blue square would remind the presence of moderation even if never active.

BTW,
didn't expect 3rd square comes back before 2^10.
(sort of science and all)

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