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Brumby:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 28, 2022, 04:37:09 am ---
--- Quote ---What's that all about?  It's like trying to describe submarine activity by reporting all the ships on the surface.
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It is a list of members that shows who have been posting in the TEA thread in the time of the alleged problem postings. In light of the number of people requesting the issue resolved, I was interested in seeing how many members were actually active in the thread, because of the talk about it being unfair that so few got the power to influence the lives of so many. Where in fact it is just about a small group that is bothered by it.

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I submit that there were far more people "bothered" by it.  They just hadn't reached the point of putting pen to paper.  Dismissing the silent majority is not consistent with your assertion of "in fact" - since that is a fact you do not even consider.

Why am I so annoyed?  Because I'm one of those who was bothered by it all.

Do us all a favour - if you want to do your "social studies" then fine, but keep it to yourself.  You are never going to get the sort of information needed to come to any clear conclusions - you'll just have ongoing supposition and guesses which isn't helping anyone ... except, perhaps, yourself.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 02:52:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: sokoloff on August 23, 2022, 02:51:49 pm ---Would a different set of moderators for that one thread be workable (or possible/worth trying)?

Possibly a superset, with the new "front line" moderators being responsible for the day to day janitorial cleanup of the most egregious/mod-time-wasting content?

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Personally I like this idea, but ultimately it is up to Dave (@EEVBlog)

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I'm not against that, and that is possible I think, at least on a board level (like the entire Test Equipment section). I don't think it's possible a single thread level, I'd have to check.

I've looked at the other TEA forum, and honestly I don't know WTF people want. That forum seems to be made up of people who left the TEA thread here?, although I know some post in both.
And I assume that these people left because of the over-moderation? Yet this other TEA forum has the same very strict rules:


--- Quote ---TEA does not permit discussions of contentious topics which include, but are not limited to, politics, religion, race, sensitive current events, etc. In other words, we're all here to enjoy camaraderie based on test equipment and electronics, not to start conflicts.
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Honestly I have no frigg'n idea what people actually want?
Some people bitch about too much moderation on the thread, and others not enough?  :-//
We try and keep TEA on-topic and some people (even long standing ones) are going ballistic and want to leave? Why?

What would another new TEA moderator actually handle this any better?  :-//

It reminds me of the Australian canyoning forum. It started out as a completely unmoderated Yahoo group then a Facebook group started up and got more popular, and then people were complaining it was overmoderated so they set up another "less-moderated" group, and then that group started banning people, and another forum started up. It's a mess.

I just deleted a post in TEA that had nothing by two unrelated Youtube music video. Why post this crap? Surely eveone can agree that shouldn't be there? Or am I wrong and the majority think that's just fine?

Seriously I have no idea how to handle this, I'm getting so many mixed messages it's impossible to make heads of tails of it.
IMO the obvious least impact thing is to encourage people to stay on topic, is that too much to ask?

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---If the moderatorial power trip continues I'm out of here, and by here I mean the whole forum. I've noted of late that the rest of the forum is actually pretty moribund, with little real electronics discussion of interest going on anywhere, mostly just the usual suspects grinding through their own personal hobby horses again and again.

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Ok Cerebus, I consider you one of the most senior and respected members on the forum, so I'll ask:
1) What is your actual complaint? To me it appears to be over-moderation of some sort. But please, tell me exactly what you see the problem being.
2) How would you moderate the TEA threrad if you moderator? Or would you not bother to moderate it at all and allow absolutely anything?

Thanks.

FYI, I have only read a couple of pages of this thread. And I don't actively hang out on the TEA thread, only very occasionally popping in, and when I have done in the past all I ever see is some seriously addicted people talking about test equipment. So based on my (very) limited experience in the thead, it seems to be natually mostly on-topic. Am I completely wrong and it's actually been invested with gun and covid talk and music videos for years?

Brumby:
IMHO, the best control is had when members know when to step back - either by realising they've rabbitted on too much or when others gently nudge - displaying a sensible, adult response and considering the greater good.

The TEA thread was a stellar example of how things could actually find its way back on track without heavyhanded intervention.  The only reason this failed is because there were some who felt they were entitled to stand their ground and selfishly did so.

Personally, I would suggest no changes to the way things are currently set up - just a call to people to be considerate to everyone.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: gnif on August 27, 2022, 05:31:23 am ---One thing I would like to point out for one particular person that keeps stating that the "new moderation is purely a management decision intended to whitewash the forum to improve YT/Google metrics".

I have not received ANY direction from Dave to try to do such at thing. The only thing that I am aware of with regards to how we were operating as moderators changed was starting to make better use of SMF and to be careful not to step on each others toes when an issue was already being handled. Simply better coordination between us as moderators.

As for improving metrics... I really don't get how anyone could think this, and I am not even sure how whitewashing the forums could lead to this. I mean, we'd have to literally start fresh and wipe the forums clean if we were doing such a thing. Those claiming we were doing this are just showing their own paranoia and ignorance.

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LOL, yep, that's rubbish.
We were simply getting more and more reports of off-topic stuff on the TEA thread, and every time I looked at a report (the other mods are usually way quicker than me so it's already gone), I've thought yeah why post that crap. Often it's some big embedded youtube video that takes up a ton of visual space for absolutely no reason. Surely everyone can agree (except the poster I guess) this stuff doesn't belong there?  :-//
Given the huge number of people that use the one thread, it only takes one or two people to dominate the thread with off-topic posts and ruin the whole thing. I don't undersatnd what's wrong with trying to clamp down on that?

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