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| Ice-Tea:
I don't have the time to go over the entire controversy but in case anyone is interested in another take, here it is (and sorry if it all has been said before). I don't mind the OT stuff. At all. It's part of that community (because, yes, the TEA thread is a community all on its own). That being said, there are a few topics that tend to derail the thread (further then it derails normally that is) and there are a few interpersonal issues that also have considerable incendiary potential. In case that's not clear: the people sharing the non-electronic related details of their lives are the same ones that post a lot of the informative deeply electronics related posts you won't find anywhere else. A lot of the others that don't every detail of their lives enjoy the atmosphere and the accesibility that it creates. Banning all non-electronics topics will suck the life life from that thread. It is a far too wide spectrum tool to wield. At the same time, putting a stop to some of the "trigger" subject wouldn't be bad and stopping some the regulars going to bat (as has been done a few times before) is a good idea as well. The problem, I would assume, is that none of the mods are involved deeply enough to "feel" the nuances of that special thread. Which is normal. I mean, who has the time :-DD The perfect solution, in my book, would be to have a dedicated mod for that thread. A regular of that community. A level headed and respected one, who does not have (too much) of a "history". And no, I'm not a candidate. |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---If the moderatorial power trip continues.... --- End quote --- Mods only respond to Reports - so they should ignore all the members that report? If nobody reported anything, then I'm sure the Mods would appreciate being able to spend their time on their own pursuits rather than work out how to resolve a situation they did not create. Remember, you don't get to see those reports, who they're from and what they are reporting about. This is a key element of Privacy that Mods have an obligation to honour. |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on August 23, 2022, 02:01:18 pm ---The problem, I would assume, is that none of the mods are involved deeply enough to "feel" the nuances of that special thread. Which is normal. I mean, who has the time :-DD --- End quote --- The Mods do not need to feel the "nuances" of anything. They simply respond to Reports. How they respond is related to the content of those reports - not by any personal agenda (and applying objective action is one genuinely hard task at times.) --- Quote ---The perfect solution, in my book, would be to have a dedicated mod for that thread. A regular of that community. A level headed and respected one, who does not have (too much) of a "history". And no, I'm not a candidate. --- End quote --- Aside from getting a consensus for a suitable person, having a single point of failure (which is what that would amount to) is never a good idea. What if they get sick or go on holiday? |
| pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: Brumby on August 23, 2022, 02:05:37 pm --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---If the moderatorial power trip continues.... --- End quote --- Mods only respond to Reports - so they should ignore all the members that report? If nobody reported anything, then I'm sure the Mods would appreciate being able to spend their time on their own pursuits rather than work out how to resolve a situation they did not create. Remember, you don't get to see those reports, who they're from and what they are reporting about. This is a key element of Privacy that Mods have an obligation to honour. --- End quote --- In some way it could be helpful to know, but on the other hand we can't handle the truth that well. Egos might get hurt and will create fallout. |
| gnif:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---What has made the TEA thread in particular so popular is its very nature, including all the "technically" off topic asides. There's off-topic stuff across the whole forum, in most threads, and singling this one out for "super secret probation" while not applying the same degree of attention to the rest of the place while the usual suspects troll, bicker and insult with impunity is just pointless. All it's doing is pissing off a bunch of people who make the TEA thread what it is. --- End quote --- The thread was not singled out, if there is bickering or issues going on elsewhere, make a report so that we can take action. Trolls are difficult to make a determination for and we need to observe behaviour over time to be sure we are not overreacting to someone who just has a different manner/culture or idea of what is going on. Bickering can also be difficult to make a determination for as written text does not contain the "tone" of what was said. One person may feel it's bickering while the other party is just from a different country and doesn't realise they are speaking in a way that's coming across as bickering. As for insulting, we have a hard and fast rule about that and when reported we deal with it... if it's not reported and we do not see it, there is nothing we can do. --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---I also suspect that the past lack of any worthwhile moderation elsewhere is what's driving the whole forum moribund. Who wants to join in yet another thread where the usual suspects bicker with each other, or anybody else who comes along. It's probably too late to fix that as leaving the usual suspects to their thing for so long has probably polluted the culture of the place sufficiently to permanently poison it. It's worth noting that the electronics content of the usual suspects postings is close to zero anyway. --- End quote --- Then report them so we can observe them and take action if needed. --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---So, instead of tackling the usual suspects the one thread that is generally the home of good mannered bonhomie becomes the centre of attention. --- End quote --- It currently has the centre of attention because there was a problem... a few weeks ago when things settled down, it seemed it was resolved. Until the rash of OT posts again today and yesterday and the reports about it, it again became the centre of attention. Imagine that, we moderators look at what is being reported and do our best to sort things out when there is an issue. --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---None of the normal TEA inhabitants can quite work out Dave's rationale for this, or why we're hearing from the two moderators who are normally least active in moderating and not from Dave himself. The only rationale that can be divined so far appears to be that Dave's been pointing out to people that they should come to the TEA thread because it's where the addicts hang out - then he gets a few more subscribers who don't like it, so he proceeds to try and change it. Cart before horse error there I think. I think that gnif's most recent spate of vandalism may be the straw that broke the camel's back. Don't be surprised if the TEA thread becomes the home of tumbleweeds and the people who made it what it was go elsewhere. The discussion as to whether that is going to happen is already going on "in another place", as they say in the mother of all parliaments. --- End quote --- So we are supposed to allow posts about guns, explosives, politics? Two weeks ago (ish?) I literally had to remove a post that was detailing such things. And why do you think that deleting an off-topic post that violated the instructions given after warning that this would happen is vandalism? How is it any different from removing the content of the post and making it known that the post was off topic in an attempt to make the person that posted it aware that it was off topic? Why/how hard to just follow the ONE simple instruction of "posts must be electronics related"? How is this unreasonable? |
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