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Discussing the usage of the TEA thread
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Brumby on August 23, 2022, 02:05:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:00:20 pm ---If the moderatorial power trip continues....
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Mods only respond to Reports - so they should ignore all the members that report? If nobody reported anything, then I'm sure the Mods would appreciate being able to spend their time on their own pursuits rather than work out how to resolve a situation they did not create.
Remember, you don't get to see those reports, who they're from and what they are reporting about. This is a key element of Privacy that Mods have an obligation to honour.
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It's quite clear that gnif is deleting stuff without user complaints. He just deleted what was effectively an "I'm going quiet" message from me in TEA within seconds of it having been posted. I frankly don't trust him anymore to not do similar here to control the conversation.
gnif:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 23, 2022, 02:22:27 pm ---It's quite clear that gnif is deleting stuff without user complaints. He just deleted what was effectively an "I'm going quiet" message from me in TEA within seconds of it having been posted. I frankly don't trust him anymore to not do similar here to control the conversation.
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No, I am deleting things that are off topic...
Attached is your post and I am sorry if it was simply I am going silent message and I miss-understood your message, however it could have been said here.
See attached.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: gnif on August 23, 2022, 02:19:48 pm ---So we are supposed to allow posts about guns, explosives, politics? Two weeks ago (ish?) I literally had to remove a post that was detailing such things. And why do you think that deleting an off-topic post that violated the instructions given after warning that this would happen is vandalism? How is it any different from removing the content of the post and making it known that the post was off topic in an attempt to make the person that posted it aware that it was off topic?
Why/how hard to just follow the ONE simple instruction of "posts must be electronics related"? How is this unreasonable?
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You know very well that I am not talking about verboten subjects such as gun-nut posts, but water cooler talk that made the TEA thread what it was and now no longer will be if you have your way. In fact by making the false parallel you are proving conclusively that this is not about wandering off topic too far, but about power and control. If you really can't tell the difference between content known by all to be inflammatory and harmless chat and handle the moderation of both with some nuance and finesse, then you've got more of a problem than the TEA thread mainstays walking out
Ice-Tea:
--- Quote from: Brumby on August 23, 2022, 02:13:36 pm ---Aside from getting a consensus for a suitable person, having a single point of failure (which is what that would amount to) is never a good idea. What if they get sick or go on holiday?
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What single point of failure? Leave the day to day handling to a certain person, there are still other mods around as a backup.
sokoloff:
Personal anecdote/single datapoint:
I went to have a look to find that I have exactly one post in the subject thread, but I recall that I used to read it semi-regularly. In just now clicking on the "New" link (to jump to my latest unread in that thread) and landed on a page from Sept 2020. So, for almost two years, I've not been reading a thread that I used to read daily. If I scroll back from that point a few pages, I have to say that the thread was very much on-topic "enough" that the reason for me stopping wasn't related to the content being off-topic.
Jumping around a few hundred pages at a time and visually scanning the thread, it doesn't seem particularly and pervasively off-topic, but the interesting piece to me was that many posters were posting both on and off-topic content. Some very technical (and valued to me) contributors were weighing in on rainy weather and proper clothing/footwear for attending different events. So, "just block posts from members whom you don't want to read content from" isn't a workable answer.
I'm mostly aligned with this point of view, but it really requires people being willing to let conversations drop once everyone has said their piece:
--- Quote from: Specmaster on August 17, 2022, 09:11:51 am ---Exactly this, IMO, all the off-topic chat that goes on here is what has been previously described as water cooler talk, the sort of chatter you get while standing at the bar ordering a round drinks. Someone has a comment that they think is of common interest to most people without being technical, ie. a social comment, and once out in the open, disappears into the ether unless someone deliberately stirs the pot and causes a melee.
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Based on some other threads, I have doubts that people are broadly capable of letting a topic drop unless they believe everyone agrees with their pet position (witness the xkcd above).
My advice (which may have zero or negative value) is to try to find a way to allow small excursions outside the strict boundaries, but if that fails , the site owners and mods need to make a call. (Maybe we're already at that point; I don't know.)
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