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Discussing the usage of the TEA thread
tggzzz:
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--- Quote from: Brumby on August 29, 2022, 12:45:33 am ---The fact some members have moved elsewhere is unfortunate - but I fail to see how a poll before the upheaval would have signalled anything.
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Really ?
Properly done it would have plainly signaled the moderators were properly serious about doing something and those that have gone to greener pastures would have been able to signal their thoughts although as it happens the outcome may not have changed, at least they would've felt consulted and a poll taken then would have be properly representative.
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"Properly done" is the key problem, of course.
What would have been the "right" action if, to pluck figures from thin air, 85% of voters wanted more moderation, but 85% of major contributors to the thread wanted less moderation?
tggzzz:
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 28, 2022, 12:00:32 pm ---A gentle reminder to a full-quoter is sometimes good. They may have never thought about it before. And as always, leding by example is the best way on the forum.
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When I had an SMF forum I got so tired of the nested quotes I used the feature below. Fixed that mess real good ...
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Ooh, I didn't know that existed. I can really see the value in that. But on the other hand there is alos value in responsible use of nested quoting, and I'd personally likely find it annoying if I didn't have that option any more.
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If you were to remove nested quoting, this forum becomes no more than a pale version of stackexchange. I'd leave in an instant.
Glad to see you are against removing nested quoting.
gnif:
You guys do know that one of the reporters that drew my attention to this thread was one of the most angry and vocal about being moderated after I acted on one of these reports? One of your loudest voices standing up against the moderation they reported and as such expected a moderator to step in about, and also one of your most active posters? And the reports were directly because of political content by another very active, angry and loud member of your group.
Stop acting like we had to get to know the people/forum/thread first, you guys who do know the people/forum/thread started this, it was your active members that made me take note and step in... Did I handle it poorly, sure, I will admit to that, but stop trying to blame everyone and accept responsibility for your own actions and the idea that you also were not in the right here.
--- Quote ---I still believe that most of the motivation was to tidy up around here; whether that was to improve YT/Google metrics (as would be obvious to anybody who's actually paid attention to the status-quo of the current industry that online content production has become) or whether it really was just manipulation by a few selfish egos is irrelevant.
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Believe what you want, you clearly know more then we do about the internals of things here.... |O
Specmaster:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 29, 2022, 08:15:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2022, 01:24:40 am ---
--- Quote from: xrunner on August 28, 2022, 02:40:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 28, 2022, 12:00:32 pm ---A gentle reminder to a full-quoter is sometimes good. They may have never thought about it before. And as always, leding by example is the best way on the forum.
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When I had an SMF forum I got so tired of the nested quotes I used the feature below. Fixed that mess real good ...
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Ooh, I didn't know that existed. I can really see the value in that. But on the other hand there is alos value in responsible use of nested quoting, and I'd personally likely find it annoying if I didn't have that option any more.
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If you were to remove nested quoting, this forum becomes no more than a pale version of stackexchange. I'd leave in an instant.
Glad to see you are against removing nested quoting.
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Surely, removing nested quoting will only add more confusion as some readers will struggle to understand the context of the points being raised and then more unrest would be the end result?
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 29, 2022, 10:36:19 am ---
--- Quote from: BU508A on August 29, 2022, 10:12:06 am ---
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on August 29, 2022, 09:16:57 am ---Yeah. But don't you find it strange that a forum member gets welcomed to whatever thread? As long as you follow the forum rules that should be taken for granted, shouldn't it?
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Why? I considered a nice "Welcome" as being polite from the regulars to potentially new TEA members.
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There is a difference between a "nice welcome" and feeling welcome. It is about interaction.
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I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make.
To me, when a new person wanders into a room with an existing group of friends, it is good manners to stop and welcome them, and encourage them. Saying "welcome" is part of the interaction with a new person.
--- Quote ---Only on some off topic and basically forbidden I had some, but only with a few that were interested in the same off topic, and to some extend that is understandable, but the core group was not so open. But again, that is my personal experience and might well be because of me being me.
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The core group was open and welcomed new contributors, so I think it (whatever is might have been) may well be because of you being you.
It is only to be expected that most new contributors didn't stay around, due to the sheer volume of posts which was somewhat intimidating even to core members. That's demonstrated my the number of times a core member was away for a few days, and "complained" about how many pages they had to read to catch up. (Note the quotations marks, which are vital in this context)
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