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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Peter_O on August 29, 2022, 11:53:44 am ---Let's just leave TEA as it is now for some weeks and see how it goes.

A grain of OT should be allowed for that. Maybe we manage to get a wee better in self moderation in the future.
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A reminder that this forum is amost entirely self moderated.
If you want a thread to go in a certain direction then you should simply not engage in disputes and just post on-topic stuff, everyone can lead by example. One or two on-topic posts kicks starts the thread again back on track, almost every time.
Practically every thread on here drifts off-topic for a post or two, it is a natural consequence of human interaction. But we have rules so we have something to fall back on if things get out of hand, just like the other new TEA forum has the same rules.

Moderation on this forum is almost entirely based on reports from users. If there are no reports then we assume everyone is happy and the forum is running smoothly.
And probably 90% of the time someone reports a post, it's for a single post someone found offensive or off-topic or whatever that will be forgotten about by the very next post, so there is no need to take any action. Once we see a few reports from different users about the same thing, that's when we know something probably needs to be done.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 29, 2022, 09:15:22 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2022, 01:31:44 am ---In short, your poll data is very anonymous.

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In some ways I'd prefer it to be an open poll, so we could see where everyone stands.

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This is not even an option in the forum software. People are of course free to post "I voted X" if they want people to know.
thm_w:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 29, 2022, 09:43:50 pm ---Only in simple twatter like posts.

Many replies to complex interesting posts have multiple points that are best interleaved with the original.

If you want non-nested quoting, go to stackexchange or seaboard. There's a good chance you will see what I mean, and come back.

And if pigs had wings they could fly.

(See, even responses to boring trivial posts benefit from interleaving, to associate one point with the other).

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The complexity of the post or interleaving doesn't affect that, if you click the link at the top of the quote it will bring you to the post being quoted.
If you interleave then you'd scroll up to the first link you see.

edit: I think I might see what you mean though, but, to arrive there the initial post you are quoting would be quite disorganized and might deserve a second post or something. Anyway, I would only want the collapse ability if it existed, not disabling.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: mnementh on August 29, 2022, 06:49:33 pm ---I can get "not watching the day-to-day"... but when a user is engaged in a direct, face-to-face discussion with you, I think it's reasonable to expect you to have read what they've said. As owner, especially where moderation of a thread has become "an issue", I think "not being aware" of the post above which quotes you is... well... just plain a weak excuse too.

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I can understand how this looks to you, but please understand how this works from my viewpoint:
TEA is not a thread I frequent, and there are so many posts per day in there that if you come back even hours later it's onto another page of posts entirely.

This is how it usually goes down:
I got a moderator report, I went in to take a look, maybe spend a small bit of time looking at some older posts for context, and then responded. Then I left to do other non-forum stuff.
Unless I remember to go back to that particular thread hours or days later, I'm not going to see the response. I often remember to do this out of interest, but in the case of TEA I know that there are so many posts it would take me some time to find it again. So my brain probably filed this under "oh, there is a little kerfuffle in the TEA thread where really passionate people hand out, meh, they'll sort it out."

In the case of your quoted posts of me above, I don't actually remember writing them, probably because I didn't have a deep vested interested in this TEA discussion. I got a report, and I did a fly by post, that happens a lot.
In this case it just happend to be very important to you and some others and I missed the gist of it, sorry, my fault for not realising at the time that this was serious.
I don't know what more to say.
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: BU508A on August 29, 2022, 10:12:06 am ---Why? I considered a nice "Welcome" as being polite from the regulars to potentially new TEA members.

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"TEA members". Before we get to that, for the record, I love the TEA thread. Although I post there very occasionally, I read it almost every day. I even developed a technique to cope with all the activity: I read it from the last post back to where I left it the day before, and to filter the OTs, I try mostly to read the posts with pictures of TEs, because I don't have time to read everything.

Having said that, I'm trying to interpret the sentiment of exclusion some feel toward the thread. If you're talking about TEA members, is there some kind of implicit membership? Aren't all the forum users members of all threads? If it's adequate to welcome "new TEA members", is there a situation when someone, given they abide the forum rules, is not welcome?

Bitseeker reflection that "(t)he size and visibility of the TEA thread has become too much for the forum" may hide other aspects the TEA "membership" needs to address, perhaps.

I can only regret his departure. He did an amazing job cataloguing the points of interest along the thread. And yes, he welcomed me when I starting posting there a few years ago.
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