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capt bullshot:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 31, 2022, 04:08:54 pm ---And in a particularly ironic twist, TEA seems to have degenerated into an off-topic discussion about software. That's me gone then...    :-DD

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What's wrong with that?
I just like responding to whatever triggers me, especially as I used to do here in TEA, so why should I do else there? There's always excursion happening, just as in real life - e.g. coffee machine talk at work, starting with some home improvement and ending with what's the best pizza in town (just an arbitrary example). Sometimes I just listen only, sometimes I go away. Everything fine, as long as it doesn't turn into religious wars ...
It doesn't really matter if it's here or there, though for some reasons (e.g. I'm just used to how the forum software works here, and have to change my "posting workflows" there), I'd prefer to stay here, but apparently most don't want to return for now. Let's see what happens and have some TEA in the meantime.
AVGresponding:
It's just as off-topic as discussing what to wear to a ham-fest. And there's a sub-forum specifically for it here.
pcprogrammer:
It is about software for making schematics of electronics, so since it was established that as long as it was electronics related it is considered on topic. Check it out there are pictures of electronics now.

But if you want it to go into its own thread in vintage computing, that is no problem, just throw it in the group. Remember self policing within the group.

You know what let met start the thread and see if vince will follow.

Like in that movie "you build it, and they will come" Can't remember the title though.
mnementh:
Dave, one snarling aardvark does not speak for all of us, any more than does one sad, weary tinkerdwagon. Please note that I started and ended my response to you with words to the effect of "please continue actual negotiations..." and bitseeker (the founder and closest thing any of us have to a leader) has kept the channels of communication open.



--- Quote from: mnementh on groups.io TEAnonymous/EEVBlog thread ---
--- Quote from: EEVBlog on groups.io TEAnonymous/EEVBlog thread ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on groups.io TEAnonymous/EEVBlog thread ---
The TEAnonymous thread, like many things about any online community, "just happened". It was a bit of a mess, but it was our mess and we knew where the sinkholes were and mostly how to work around them. We didn't set out to make it happen... we just started hanging out there, because we felt safe letting it all hang out in that little corner of the internet. Part of that was the fact we mostly flew under the radar; but part of it was the whole "nerd herd" thing.

        We always felt that under it all, the people who ran the place were fellow nerds, and no matter what, we'd be safe there.

        Until we weren't.
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    Surely by saying "flew under the radar" you knew very well that all your off-topic talk would one day get you in trouble, as it was against the rules of the forum. And you are surprised that one day it got so off-topic that a bunch of fellow nerds complained? And IIRC, some of the people on this new group are actually in the list of reporters.

    Again, I have created "special" groups for others in the past, like the cooking group. You could have just come to me and asked to have your own forum section and moderator, but no one ever did, you kept "flying under the radar" in one big prominent thread. Heck it could have been an invite only group.
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I appreciate any and all legitimate attempts to negotiate with the community, even at this late date, but I refuse to validate the OFF-TOPIC argument in this context. This argument is pure diversion from one key point:

At the end of the day, it is the moderators' job to ACTIVELY identify OT threads and move them to the correct OT location if they start to become a problem in the main areas of discussion; not pin them to the top of a technical sub-forum and then use that as an excuse to start filleting the thread for being OT.

The flip side of your argument of "nobody asked to move the thread" (even though I most certainly did, and have shown so) is: not one member of the management bothered to investigate... to ASK WTF was going on before making a dog's breakfast of our community.

So still a colossal failure to moderate.

Please just let us have a bit of rest. Continuing to beleaguer us in this fashion while we're licking our wounds in the space we went to get away from it all will not improve morale in the least bit.

Following us here with yet another dose of the same old "it was your fault all along" argument hardly feels like taking any responsibility for that colossal failure to moderate, nor does it fill any of us with confidence that future moderation will be any better.

And it certainly does not help rebuild that feeling of safety which was lost.

Thank you for your time, and please continue with actual negotiations;

mnem
*weary*
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I'm going to ask again:

All we ever wanted was to be left alone to play. If you place the TEAnonymous thread in the correct OT section, where it will not be bludgeoning those interested in On-Topic discussions, some of us might begin to peek in and contribute from time to time, once the bruises start to fade and the cuts stop bleeding. If it is made clear to the "complainers" that TEANonymous is an OT thread and complaints purely about OT will be given exactly as much consideration as such frivolous complaints deserve, that would be a great start.

If the complainers want to have a purely ON-TOPIC discussion about TE and their TE projects, let them start such a thread instead of taking it away from the community who started TEAnonymous.

We already did as you asked regarding the usual 3rd rail topics; even when we did touch on such points we made very certain it was only briefly and did not become long conversation. That I feel is a reasonable compromise.

I loved the TEAnonymous thread... it was where my friends were, and it was where we played, and it was where I kept my toys. But as long as we have the threat of wholesale moderation of content simply for being OT hanging over our heads, we will not feel it is safe to just play... particularly when I compare what we posted to current content.  :palm:

Thanks again for your time,

mnem
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2022, 11:06:33 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 31, 2022, 09:34:44 am ---BTW, there was also a schism from TekScopes causing TekScopes2 to be formed. From the little I know, similar causes and consequences were involved.

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Is that the old Yahoo group?

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Yes. Both of them :)

Actually I don't know whether the schism occurred on Yahoo or groups.io. And I don't care :)
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