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Goodbye Windows, Hello Linux [advice needed for a Linux workstation at home]
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apis:

--- Quote from: rdl on January 19, 2019, 12:28:48 am ---Ubuntu forces updates on you like Windows?

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Nope

Most Linux distros have a so called package manager that lets you install most popular applications with a single command. The package manager on Debian based systems is called "apt" (advanced package tool) and has been around since 1998.

To take an example from before you would type:

--- Code: ---# apt install mc
--- End code ---
to install midnight commander. Then you could run

--- Code: ---# apt update
--- End code ---
which updates all the installed software on your system, not only the OS.

Of course, you can configure that so it updates automatically if you want, but it's optional and not enabled by default. You could configure it to install all security updates automatically for example. I believe the default Ubuntu behaviour is to check regularly and notify the user (using a GUI) when there are important updates available and ask the user what to do.

But windows update doesn't run on Linux and that might be a dealbreaker for some, which might also be for the best.
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: soldar on January 18, 2019, 09:54:27 pm ---Yes, it seems the Linux crowd are so entertained with their OS that they have no need for applications.

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That's not how Linux users think. They think that if an application doesn't run on Linux it is because it is not worthy to run on their desktops.
 
free_electron:

--- Quote from: jimdeane on January 18, 2019, 07:01:38 pm ---If you want a single option, chosen for you by people who are much more knowledgeable (according to them) about what you want and need than you are, then you should choose Mac or MS Windows.

If you want options and can make a choice between flashy cutting-edge and established reliable options, and are willing to decide what's best for you, then choose a Linux distribution. The easy one is Ubuntu, in that you can just go with the default and be OK.

(Note: this is intended only to address choices in the OS configuration, not use cases.)

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see, the problem with that is that you only consider the operating system.

It's like having a choice of 500 different cars that all have one thing in common : they use square wheels.(the linux kernel)
when i raise the issue : you can't really drive those the feedback is : but you can change the color and steering wheel and all other features.

People don't use an 'OS'. An operating system is there to manage storage and to load and run applications and give applications access to files and peripherals( printers, screen , mouse, keyboard etc ). Otherwise it should stay out of the way.

I run windows as an OS .
Do i use any other microsoft supplied tools ? No. Apart from the built in file browser of the OS i never run anything. not even notepad or minesweeper.
Do i ever change the UI scheme ? no. Not even the background image.
The computer boots and runs applications that i launch
- Chrome , Acrobat, Altium , Solidworks, and many many other programs. The only microsoft programs i use are separate tools( non-os bundled) : Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access

I don't need/want 25 different UI managers, color schemes and presenters. All i want from the operating system is that it controls my hardware and provided the required I/O channels for applications to run and the programs can get on the network and read/write data. It does everything i expect from an operating system : run applications and provide machine access to them.

Program install always work. There is never an issue that flavor x uses a different package manager that is incompatible with my flavor-du-jour. Many many times i find out in the linux world that program x does not run on distro y because there is no pre-packaged installer. 'but you have the source'. sure here is a stack of bricks and some cement. build your house yourself. no thanks... i have work to do. I don't have time to tinker with the guts of my machine everytime.

It's the same thing with 3D printers. There are 2 groups of people. Those that want to tinker with the machine , and those that want to print something. The latter group is constantly complaining about the deplorable state of the machines. bed leveling , filament clogging , print adhesion , print interruptions, sdcard problems , data starvation.. The latter group does not want to deal with that. They want to PRINT something.

Same with linux : there is a group of people that like to tinker with code and operating system guts. Linux is great for those. IF you want to get work done ... not so much.



Monkeh:

--- Quote from: free_electron on January 19, 2019, 01:10:43 am ---
--- Quote from: jimdeane on January 18, 2019, 07:01:38 pm ---If you want a single option, chosen for you by people who are much more knowledgeable (according to them) about what you want and need than you are, then you should choose Mac or MS Windows.

If you want options and can make a choice between flashy cutting-edge and established reliable options, and are willing to decide what's best for you, then choose a Linux distribution. The easy one is Ubuntu, in that you can just go with the default and be OK.

(Note: this is intended only to address choices in the OS configuration, not use cases.)

--- End quote ---

see, the problem with that is that you only consider the operating system.

It's like having a choice of 500 different cars that all have one thing in common : they use square wheels.(the linux kernel)
when i raise the issue : you can't really drive those the feedback is : but you can change the color and steering wheel and all other features.

People don't use an 'OS'. An operating system is there to manage storage and to load and run applications and give applications access to files and peripherals( printers, screen , mouse, keyboard etc ). Otherwise it should stay out of the way.

I run windows as an OS .
Do i use any other microsoft supplied tools ? No. Apart from the built in file browser of the OS i never run anything. not even notepad or minesweeper.
Do i ever change the UI scheme ? no. Not even the background image.
The computer boots and runs applications that i launch
- Chrome , Acrobat, Altium , Solidworks, and many many other programs. The only microsoft programs i use are separate tools( non-os bundled) : Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access

I don't need/want 25 different UI managers, color schemes and presenters. All i want from the operating system is that it controls my hardware and provided the required I/O channels for applications to run and the programs can get on the network and read/write data. It does everything i expect from an operating system : run applications and provide machine access to them.

Program install always work. There is never an issue that flavor x uses a different package manager that is incompatible with my flavor-du-jour. Many many times i find out in the linux world that program x does not run on distro y because there is no pre-packaged installer. 'but you have the source'. sure here is a stack of bricks and some cement. build your house yourself. no thanks... i have work to do. I don't have time to tinker with the guts of my machine everytime.

It's the same thing with 3D printers. There are 2 groups of people. Those that want to tinker with the machine , and those that want to print something. The latter group is constantly complaining about the deplorable state of the machines. bed leveling , filament clogging , print adhesion , print interruptions, sdcard problems , data starvation.. The latter group does not want to deal with that. They want to PRINT something.

Same with linux : there is a group of people that like to tinker with code and operating system guts. Linux is great for those. IF you want to get work done ... not so much.

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And you rant on and on and I spend more time unfucking your beloved Windows than I ever have dealing with Linux.

Give me a call next time the licensing tool for your software causes the machine to hard reset shortly after boot with no error and nothing in the logs, absolutely nothing to indicate where to start looking, and tell me how it 'always works'.
radioactive:
Been using Debian at work and home since the 90's.  It has served me well.  In turn, I have open-sourced my projects whenever it is possible.  "Giving back" not only helps others, but it serves to protect your IP. 

I no longer try to convert anyone to use Linux (for more than a decade).  If you see then benefits, then try it out.  You might find it very liberating.  While it may not be for everyone, you shouldn't listen to anyone saying you can't do serious work with it.  That is ludicrous on so many levels.
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