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Goodbye Windows, Hello Linux [advice needed for a Linux workstation at home]

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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 19, 2019, 11:26:52 am ---
--- Quote from: soldar on January 19, 2019, 10:34:47 am ---Web clients' OS share:

--- Code: ---Android 41%
Windows 36%
Apple 19%
Linux 0.78%
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Linux might be great for nerds and engineers but the public at large do not show much preference for it and I do not think it will gain significant market share as long as the attitude of the Linux community is one of smug superiority. Maybe trying to make Linux more user-friendly would help Linux become more widespread.

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These numbers are very skewed. A while ago there was a poll on this forum. It turns out 60% of the people here use Linux regulary. And that also agrees with what I'm seeing at customers. I have several customers where the engineering departmant runs Linux on their computers.

Besides that: Android technically is Linux.

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And "Apple" is technically BSD unix.

NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: RoGeorge on January 19, 2019, 07:51:09 am ---When properly implemented, the frame-rate conversion must be done (on the fly), and with frame interpolation.  Without frame interpolation, the image will stutter here and there, because 60Hz is not a multiple of 23.976Hz.

I don't know who's job the frame rate conversion is, the GPU driver, the movie player/decoder, or maybe some other window composer.

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The fractional frame rate rubbish is one that really needs to die. (And interlacing as well, but support for that is still needed for legacy content.) Mpv can speed up 29.97 or 59.94 FPS to an even 30 or 60 exactly synchronized to the display and the amount of change is so small that it's unnoticeable.
https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#miscellaneous
The option you probably want is to set video-sync to display-resample. Then there are a few other options to play with, I suggest using the config I posted earlier as a starting point.

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: soldar on January 19, 2019, 10:34:47 am ---I do not think it will gain significant market share
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Why should it?  Linux desktop market share is completely irrelevant to me, and the majority of Linux devs agree.  Only the systemd folks care, and they produce crap anyway.


--- Quote from: soldar on January 19, 2019, 10:34:47 am ---Most people would pay money to have something easier to use and which saves them time.
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They do, and I've done that.  Why don't you?  Oh, you're willing to pay what you pay for the crappy one-size-fits-all thing, but not customized stuff.  No, sorry; I have no intent on becoming your personal servant.

The difficulty in the business model of making a paid distro for former Windows-users is user retention.  If you do it right (and I do understand there are distros that do that), you basically always lose your customers to the more Linux-native distros, sooner or later.  If you try to keep your existing paying users, it'll be a crappy distro, among many crappy distros trying to do the same.

What works, is designing a distro, or at least the workflow (including UI customizations and choosing the applications), for a specific set of tasks.  But unless you have lots of employees doing the same task, it is hard to reach exactly that niche, and even harder to get targeted individuals to pay for your new distro.


--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on January 19, 2019, 01:59:08 pm ---The fractional frame rate rubbish is one that really needs to die.

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Aw crap, I completely forgot about that, even though I actually used to do that a lot. I can't tell the 29.97 to 30.00 speedup, but the 23.976 to 30 is similar to Youtube 125% playback speed, except frequencies shifted up a note or two.  The 23.976 to 25.00 speedup for my old PAL TV was a very minor shift up in frequency, and the 104.27% speed felt utterly natural.  I kinda liked that.

rstofer:

--- Quote from: soldar on January 19, 2019, 10:34:47 am ---Web clients' OS share:

--- Code: ---Android 41%
Windows 36%
Apple 19%
Linux 0.78%

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Linux might be great for nerds and engineers but the public at large do not show much preference for it and I do not think it will gain significant market share as long as the attitude of the Linux community is one of smug superiority. Maybe trying to make Linux more user-friendly would help Linux become more widespread.

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Android only account for 41% because it is used on a bazillion cell phones and, indeed, it may show up as a high percentage of web clients.  I'm not aware of it being used on a desktop.

In terms of actual 'desktop' usage, the topic of this thread, Linux accounts for less than 2%
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/

I have 3 machines with various incantations of Linux and I sometimes use them at the command line for software development.  I don't use them for the more common email, web and office applications.  In general, I don't find Linux applications anywhere near as refined as Windows applications and it's the applications that matter, not the OS.

I also use the Bash shell under Win 10.  This gives me a nice place to do command line kinds of things like building software.

Linux has been around for 27 years or so.  If it was ever going to be more than a bit player in the desktop arena, it would have done so by now.  It does have a commanding lead in the server arena; people like free servers.  I haven't used Windows Server in over 15 years but, back then, it wasn't all that easy to set up.  It has probably improved...

I guess somehow it makes sense to walk away from the most popular desktop OS and migrate to the backwaters but I sure don't see it.  It always sounded like an ego trip to me.  "Look at me!  I use Linux!  I'm smarter than you!".  Ok, sure, I see that...

rstofer:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on January 19, 2019, 02:40:09 pm ---
The difficulty in the business model of making a paid distro for former Windows-users is user retention.  If you do it right (and I do understand there are distros that do that), you basically always lose your customers to the more Linux-native distros, sooner or later.  If you try to keep your existing paying users, it'll be a crappy distro, among many crappy distros trying to do the same.

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For many years, Redhat Enterprise Linux was the platform of choice for developers targeting Linux.  It is a for-pay distro but it provides a stable target for developers.  The problem with Linux distros is the number of branches.  It makes the developer's job a lot harder.  For the most part, they simply ignore Linux and target Windows and OS-X - that gives them coverage for 90% of desktops, who cares about the 2% share of Linux?

Nobody wants to pay for Linux or Linux applications.  It's "free" software, after all.  The flip side is also true:  Why would a professional developer want to work for free?

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