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paulca:
Please, please, please, do not project that on me, I am not saying anything bad about women engineers.  I think every single lady engineer I have worked with has been diligent and skilled.  I really, do honestly value them.


Your point cheers me up no end.  You are asking me to consider that women are better at the job and they are only now realising this and will be taking over the work place in the next decade.

I have 20 years to retirement, do you think I'll make it?

Maybe I can pick up a late career in health care.

EDIT:  In one of my tech classes for software, around age 19, the class had 12 people in it.  Only 1 woman.  She left after the first of 4 semesters stating that she felt uncomfortable as the only girl.  The senior lecturer was a little frank one day with me and pointed out that the pattern repeats that every time there is only 1 woman in a class they leave.  If you can manage to get 2 of them into a class at least, they tend to stay.

HuronKing:
I'm going to be the one to take what will likely be the unpopular position in this forum...

Women have been actively excluded from the general workforce, but especially STEM disciplines and jobs, for literally thousands of years. The first black woman ever to get a Ph.D. from MIT didn't happen until 1973. MIT has been in existence since 1861:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Ann_Jackson

The first woman to ever get a mechanical engineering Ph.D. in the United States happened in 1959!!! This isn't ancient history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Graham#First_woman_in_US_to_earn_mechanical_engineering_PhD

Say nothing for trans/gay people in which it was literally a crime to be gay within living memory (the USA did not start to even begin decriminalizing it until 1962 starting with Illinois).

Y'all whining so much about 'unfair discrimination...' the fact is that there is a LOT of work to be done to undo thousands of years of holding back human civilization. We've kept at least half our available brainpower away from learning STEM because they have vaginas and kept even more by discriminating against people they are gay, or have the wrong color skin.

I've met a lot of incompetent white men who fail upwards - and met a lot of hyper-competent minorities and women (and I remember them because there are so few in the STEM field in the first place) who are expected to work twice as hard to earn what's been historically awarded to certain demographics by discrimination and even by law.

FYI I'm a straight white male.

HuronKing:
Here's something else to ponder. Companies that have used AI to find candidates, even in the efforts of perfect equality, often just end up perpetuating the racist stereotypes that built out the makeup of their workforce in the first place (because the AI is trained on data of a workforce that was historically built on discrimination by race, gender, or sexual orientation):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_in_hiring#Controversies

And of course, this:
https://xkcd.com/385/

paulca:
Fun fact, on diversity and working with others.  My employer asked me if I was going to start coming back into the office.  I said, "Why, I don't work in Belfast."

They said, "What do you mean?"

"You are the first Irish voice I have heard since last Tuesday.  I work in Singapore."

"What do you mean you work in Singapore?"

"The first person I speak to, my customer side manager is in Singapore, his manager is in Singapore and 95% of the larger team are in Singapore, with the other 5% being in India.  Even my team in the UK are all Indians.  Not being awkward, but when the last company recognition email went out I was on page 3 before I spotted a single white guy.  But that's perfectly normal, as I am working in Singapore after all.  But come into the office in Belfast?  Why?  And sit on my own?"

I've started to have to learn a bit of Indian words, sometimes the emails slip in translation, but I learnt a lahk is 100,000, which was interesting after I had to google it.

Lovely people, completely different ways of working and completely different work and life ethics, but hey, I'm easy going.  I do somewhat feel like I'm working in a foreign country while sitting in my office at home.  Quite strange.  Nothing against them, but I do feel a little disassociated from my own people out here.

Am I the asshole?

free_electron:
The biggest problem is the labeling in itself. men/women black/white gay/straight . we are all HUMAN. stop using those classifications and stop this endless i/he/she/we classify as xyz. Stop putting people in boxes. And stop putting yourself in a box. and most of all stop telling other people to put you in a box you want to be put in. there would be a lot less noise in the world.

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