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james_s:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 19, 2022, 12:20:05 pm ---Recently I watched a TV show. At some point this rethorical question came along 'Have you ever seen a black software engineer?'. That made me wonder: have I? The answer is no. I just can't think of a reason why not though. I have been around many companies and also saw quite a few CVs and applicants so that is not the reason.

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I have, I work with several of them, I'm sure it depends greatly on the local demographics.

james_s:

--- Quote from: emece67 on August 19, 2022, 01:47:52 pm ---Will say it again: NONE ON THIS FUCKING FORUM KNOWS WHAT MY IDEAS ABOUT DEI ARE.

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Then why don't you share your ideas then instead of just complaining and getting upset? That's the problem, you want the discussion shut down and yet you don't even contribute. You can't blame people for interpolating based on your responses, but if that is wrong then share whatever it is that you actually think on the topic. Dave has already made it clear that the discussion is not going to be shut down, so your options appear to be either participate or leave the thread.

KaneTW:

--- Quote from: emece67 on August 19, 2022, 01:47:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 11:32:08 pm ---The only people who seem to want this thread shut down are those that basically support DEI, because they are being challenged here. So they compare it to talking about wars, covid, religion, etc as an excuse to have it shut down.

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Apparently it is not possible.

Being me the only one (I think) that mentioned war and COVID, I understand that the above cite is to me.

Will say it again: NONE ON THIS FUCKING FORUM KNOWS WHAT MY IDEAS ABOUT DEI ARE.

Continue all you want with your joyful game, but DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT I HAVE NOT SAID AND DO NOT PUT IDEAS ON MY HEAD.

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You're being overly sensitive. Dave talked in generics, you immediately interpreted that as yourself.

If you're so worried about what others think of you, maybe explain your opinions?

ebastler:
"We are all of the same opinion here: The call for diversity is a complete fad."

Am I the only one to see the irony there? Not only is this a poor example of a "discussion", but it is also a beautifully self-referential paradox. You nicely illustrate how a homogeneous group can be quite exclusive, even hostile -- possibly without even realizing it.

Please note that this is the first time I have hinted in any way at my own position on "diversity" in this thread. Which is not that different from that of most other participants, in fact: I certainly find that the "woke" movement has gone off the rails and is putting a strain on society as a whole, including some professional environments.

But I also think that all of us, myself certainly included, have biases which we should be self-aware of and which we should challenge ourselves about. The claims made by Dave and others in this thread -- that engineering is all about strictly objective assessments based only on merit -- don't show that self-awareness.

In an earlier post I have voiced (once) my personal opinion that this forum is not a suitable place for this discussion. In response it has been implied by several members that I am a woke whatsoever, anti-democratic, and unable to tolerate differing opinions. I have also been personally attacked several times by Nominal Animal, in response to posts which never personally attacked him.

But sure, you guys are doing great:


--- Quote from: tpowell1830 on August 19, 2022, 04:36:49 pm ---this thread, shows what open discussion looks like in a democratic society. I, for one, am very pleased to see open discussion with minimal emotional outbursts of name calling (except for a few).

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 :clap:

MarginallyStable:

--- Quote ---For me, retiring the usage of “master and slave” falls into the category of “yeah, that’s probably a good thing to do [to avoid dredging up discomforts from over 150 years ago].”
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One of may projects was pushed to use "mother/baby" for this use case.... Now even that is being challenged as offensive.

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