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tszaboo:

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--- Quote ---For me, retiring the usage of “master and slave” falls into the category of “yeah, that’s probably a good thing to do [to avoid dredging up discomforts from over 150 years ago].”
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One of may projects was pushed to use "mother/baby" for this use case.... Now even that is being challenged as offensive.

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I hope you wanted to write Birthing People.
You really have to update your Wokecabulary.
SiliconWizard:
Another funny thing is when some people do not want the "slave" term to be used anymore (as though erasing the word would erase the concept, 1984 anyone?), they exactly act as slaves.

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength."
tpowell1830:

--- Quote from: ebastler on August 19, 2022, 06:03:54 pm ---"We are all of the same opinion here: The call for diversity is a complete fad."

Am I the only one to see the irony there? Not only is this a poor example of a "discussion", but it is also a beautifully self-referential paradox. You nicely illustrate how a homogeneous group can be quite exclusive, even hostile -- possibly without even realizing it.

Please note that this is the first time I have hinted in any way at my own position on "diversity" in this thread. Which is not that different from that of most other participants, in fact: I certainly find that the "woke" movement has gone off the rails and is putting a strain on society as a whole, including some professional environments.

But I also think that all of us, myself certainly included, have biases which we should be self-aware of and which we should challenge ourselves about. The claims made by Dave and others in this thread -- that engineering is all about strictly objective assessments based only on merit -- don't show that self-awareness.

In an earlier post I have voiced (once) my personal opinion that this forum is not a suitable place for this discussion. In response it has been implied by several members that I am a woke whatsoever, anti-democratic, and unable to tolerate differing opinions. I have also been personally attacked several times by Nominal Animal, in response to posts which never personally attacked him.

But sure, you guys are doing great:


--- Quote from: tpowell1830 on August 19, 2022, 04:36:49 pm ---this thread, shows what open discussion looks like in a democratic society. I, for one, am very pleased to see open discussion with minimal emotional outbursts of name calling (except for a few).

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I can see where my statements may have been misunderstood, so, let me try to make myself clear:

1. I agree that this FORUM should not turn into a place that allows general political discussion.
2. With that said, I have read all of the posts of different people's opinions on regard this original poster and I understand that this particular subject IS of great interest to engineers BECAUSE of its impacts to work life. This is why I said what I said. This is the exception to Dave's rule that he is allowing because there is not a place to discuss this on the open internet because of the tactics that are rained down on those who have dissenting opinions from the left. Here, Dave can control that behavior and still have a general discussion about REAL problems engineers are having with the DEI policies in their work place, which are NOT democratic in nature and are forced on everyone.
3. I have not inferred anything about you or anyone else that your opinion is bad nor have I labelled you in any way.
4. Most free thinking adults that have intelligence will work out that EVERYONE has biases, however, these can't be expelled by training or force. One can only hope that in a polite society of freethinkers that a kinder, more sympathetic approach be taken, however, the general purpose of a working environment is to produce a product, not try and change people's mind. Rules are meant to keep peace and, if they become overbearing, time to leave. This is a vote with your feet that should be noted/observed by your company that these policies are not good.
5. The world is a very hostile place, for everyone. It always has been.
6. Those that think that social engineering will produce good, or better outcomes are mistaken. There is no single Utopia for everyone because there are no groups, only individuals.

Please feel free to present a different POV.
jpanhalt:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 07:57:27 pm ---I hope you wanted to write Birthing People.
You really have to update your Wokecabulary.

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Perhaps you really meant an egg producing person.  Some 46 XX women need to have surrogates birth their children.  But even that does not include the 46 X0 genotype, who are really women too, but may not produce eggs.  How about Y-chromosome deficient person?  Or, Y-chromosome challenged person?  :)

My preference?  Female/Woman based on absence of a Y-chromosome.  That was the standard as soon as our chromosomes could be counted.
paulca:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 19, 2022, 08:00:31 pm ---"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength."

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I now want that printed on a T-Shirt.  Anyone in on a group buy?
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