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Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: AnalogueLove1867 on August 20, 2022, 04:14:15 am ---Oh well. I guess every online website open to the public is inevitably going to become another reddit due to current societal pressures.
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Sorry I cannot see the comparison.
There is a supporter's area.
daqq:
--- Quote from: AnalogueLove1867 on August 20, 2022, 04:14:15 am ---Oh well. I guess every online website open to the public is inevitably going to become another reddit due to current societal pressures.
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The thing is that some things are inherently intertwined. The industry does not exist in a vacuum unfortunately.
Ideally we wouldn't need to discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine on a technical forum (or at all since ideally it wouldn't have happened), unfortunately it affects the electronics industry in a number of ways.
SJW going rabid and trying to rename master-slave devices to a 'less offensive' name? Ditto - it affects the way we work and what we do and might affect tons of technical documents.
China looking hungrily at Taiwan? The same.
Pressures to prefer diverse applicants to best applicants are affecting the industry and the way we work.
There's a difference between an absolutely general forum with topics like "Is God a blue midget?" and "The finer points in breeding French poodles" to a thematic related general forum with topics like "The Divine Blue Midget sect has blown up a semiconductor fab, anyone know what components to stock up upon?" or "Help, my French poodle keeps eating my scope probes!".
Nominal Animal:
The reason I believe this particular subject is in scope is that it does not deal with the D-E-I in general, and is limited to how it affects engineering and science, specifically electrical engineering.
Every single person and workplace and company has room and reason to improve, that's for sure. The point is, the current approach to D-E-I have already been tried before, and historically produced only horrible results, and therefore it looks to be an extremely destructive path for the entire industry.
It is the sort of situation where in the past, scientists and engineers have intervened to point out the fatal flaws in the plan.
We used to be listened to, but no longer; now, we seem to somehow be the enemy instead, and will be (already are) blamed for those flaws and failures.
I do not understand this at all.
tszaboo:
--- Quote from: Circlotron on August 20, 2022, 01:55:04 am ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on August 20, 2022, 01:14:41 am ---I don't particularly like much of JP's greatest hits. What I do appreciate though is his conviction. Right, wrong or otherwise I'll listen to what he has to say because I know he has at least thought about it not just parroting something off twitter.
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Another interesting person who speaks with what seems to me to be well thought out words is Ben Shapiro. He can present quite a case and pull numerous diverse facts and figures out of thin air.
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JP is a professor of clinical psychology and was practicing who has been doing this for 40 years. It's a scientific field, which is based on facts that are agreed upon with the scientific method.
The same way, as I can write a post about how the 74HC595 works, without dissecting PN junctions, the same way he is going to talk about ie gender differences, without citing the source of the information. He tries doing this, and the speech quickly falls apart, because you need to reference obscure studies, or philosophers.
Really imagine talking about electronics without bringing up Volta in every post. And then imagine doing this while the public is interested in what you have to say. And now add a small, but loud minority of people who are shouting from the top of their lungs that you are a racist bigot, because you don't question Maxwell, and they claim that electrons can decide their own charge. You will very quickly find that talking about this is not that easy. And social studies is a very difficult field, with sampling issues, the lack of trusted data. It hasn't been around for that long.
If you listen for more than 5 minute clips that are labelled: "JP destroys feminists", you will find that he is returning to a few axioms, backed by research. One is the famous lobster study, that everyone likes to pick on, which is about social hierarchies, dominance and the importance of hormones regulating it all.
Also people tend to misunderstand what he is saying because, it is overly complicated, but also because they don't have the attention span to listen to it as a whole. He say that something is in a way, and brings reasons why, it doesn't mean that he agrees or prefers it that way.
paulca:
Question.
I work for a UK company, with a UK contract.
They contract me to a US company.
That US company has information about me. That US company may, it seems, to be using that information in a way which is not compatible with my UK contract.
I have already asked a related question to HR twice and not received and answer. "Under what data governance does this PII fall? Is it GDPR, Safe Harbour? Who stores it and what are their data control policies and "allowed uses"?
Nothing.
Do you think I can even submit a freedom of information request to the US company for a copy of all PII and non PII they hold about me? Can I submit a redact request if I find a field like "Cis gender male"?
The last few times this has occurred, like every time they contract me overseas, I protest my personal information being given to customers, but I end up providing it as to not be a blocker. I mean these days you have background checks, bar checks, criminal report checks, and even working with the vulnerable people checks, apparently I'm squeaky clean or so it seems. That's all fine, when they request a UK official document that is a public certificate like a recent bar report. It's when they ask for other identifiable information like social media accounts or personal email addresses, personal mobile numbers and then INSIST that they are personal and not work accounts. I've had to create "burner email" accounts at request of management and even use an old phone for access a customer system because the app they installed asked for FAR, FAR too many permissions, including the ability to enable your microphone and camera! It had to be installed from "third party sources" and showed up on our phone as a security risk! One unnamed extremely large company force connected your personal home computer's microphones and webcams to the remote virtual host and prevented them from being disabled. The support staff for the software, external to the company (on Reddit) told me to open device manager and disable my devices there if I wanted privacy!!!!
Honestly. I don't think I need a new job, I just need to continue to suggest that when this current project ramps down, I do not want to work for a US company again. I want a contract working with local people, in local teams, for local business, ie UK or EU. The US is rapidly departing the civilized world and I want to distance myself from it for a while.
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