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sokoloff:
This thread and the implications of DEI efforts on the engineering workforce is valuable (IMO).

I would respectfully suggest that perhaps nudging it back towards the impacts on engineering, the workforce/jobs, and related may help to keep it productive and in-range for the site.

Nominal Animal:
Any suggestions on how to successfully avoid being targeted/canceled, say because one chooses not to support current D-E-I efforts because they will not lead to the results and effects their proponents claim?

I have no good suggestions myself.

Dave already mentioned some cancellation attempts; hearing about known working strategies to defend oneself would be encouraging.

paulca:

--- Quote from: sokoloff on August 22, 2022, 02:26:58 pm ---This thread and the implications of DEI efforts on the engineering workforce is valuable (IMO).

I would respectfully suggest that perhaps nudging it back towards the impacts on engineering, the workforce/jobs, and related may help to keep it productive and in-range for the site.

--- End quote ---

Agreed and appologies for my previous highlighting of the real front lines.  Which are extremely remotely relevant if at all.

jpanhalt:
@Nominal Animal

To the extent that DEI is an extension of Affirmative Action, there have been numerous lawsuits over the years that AA violated American laws against discrimination based on race.  Individual plaintiffs have won on the specifics of their cases (See: Dr. Bakke decision*), but that is a very long and expensive process.  Generally, the decision upholding AA as a concept has been affirmed.  Once again, that issue has bubbled up, and SCOTUS has decided to visit the issue again:  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/02/supreme-court-affirmative-action-harvard
The current court is considerably more conservative and textual (e.g., recent Roe decision).  Time will tell.

I suspect if there is any near term solution in the US, it will be by our courts and not by legislatures.  Although, legislatures have has some impact follow Bakke. 

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke

 

ebastler:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 22, 2022, 02:42:08 pm ---Any suggestions on how to successfully avoid being targeted/canceled [..]?

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I would be curious to hear about personal experiences of engineers being "canceled" in the workplace.

I am working for a US company myself, which is encouraging diversity, non-discrimination, awareness of biases etc., on what I consider a reasonable level. But I have not witnessed any "canceling", and struggle to imagine what that would look like in the workplace. Thank you if you can illustrate that!

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