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SiliconWizard:
There was a recent ad from "family planning" over here which stated that "Men too can get pregnant", with two stylized characters, one allegedly pregnant, the two being seemingly "women" with beards.
Oh, and they took it very seriously that it became polemic, too. Yeah. :palm:

paulca:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 22, 2022, 08:04:29 pm ---I accept language changes as a natural process of evolution, but that's not what's happening here. It's forced to keep a tiny minority happy and it's mostly the privileged few sitting in their ivory towers, who are demanding it, rather than those who it's supposed to benefit.

--- End quote ---

My experience is it's not the minority in question actually doing the complaining.  It's the cloud of virtue signalling students/hang wringers/do-gooders/exploitational media/exploitation companies who think it's the latest "Up YOU!" to "the man" to support and broadcast, it's popular, it gets views, it creates interactions, positive and negative interactions sell adverts. 

In universities, in fringe groups, fine.  But it's leaked out somehow (social media) and needs to be re-contained.  These young minds in University are opened in many ways and often run amock with fantastical ideologies or re-inventing old ideologies.  This should not be discouraged.  But it should be contained.  Social media has allowed these radical views of a small subset of students to become a mainstream global public debate.  If it was my day we would all be forcing people to be socialists and demand policies to legalise all the drugs, if the student union got it's political say.  No, real violence came from it in my day, because it was CONTAINED in university to be discussed with other "opening" intelligent people, in class, in the pub, in the common room, discussion was open.  Heated, but open.  The world, the world's media and social media should not be exposed to that raw emerging intellect.  Somehow that got missed.  So now rampant, fringe, student ideologies are being spread and enforced as a kind of "ploughing of all established comprehension of humanity", turning it over. 

Easiest option isn't available really, or maybe it's coming and that is to wipe that smug little smile off their face and give them something a LITTLE more important to think about such as a world war.  But that might mess up the rest of us a bit too.  Something to make them realise they take for granted so much in the world and to stump on it ALL and criticise it, en-mass, without any academic credit or rigour or understanding of what it even means.... to reject all established understanding of gender, sex, etc.

Replace Gender and Sex with "Flat Earth and Science deniers".... except these people have got POWER and that is the FRIGHTENING thing.

In my day it was resistance to "the machine", "the system", refusal to be labelled, stamped, filed, categorised, classified or numbered!  The fear that credit card companies would start tracking us.  That forces unseen would start to try and control our birth rate and control fertility.  Lots of heavy metal and lots of SciFi from the 70s, 80s, 90s touches on this.  How that (or those points) aged.

The absurdity is that a lot of the transphobic comments are coming from trans people, who themselves are being counter invalidated by more modern ideologies.  I think we stand back and wait on it eating itself and hope it happens before we lose an entire generation of inspiring young adults to life long regret caused by a fad.  I know a lot of kids who got tatoo'd young, who have them surgically removed in their 20s.  What ARE we doing?

I have ended up watching far too much "actual" right wing content in my research these past few days, and a lot of far left content too.  I'm please to come back reporting that while I agree and can follow their points, there is smoke where there is fire, I can still smell bullshit off bullshit.  Sky New Australia in particular, present stories more "default left" media wouldn't, but they also post a load of utter garbage in the same light.  Unfortunately, nobody is going to take people seriously, when their line up is "Child gender mutilation, anti-science BS, anti-medicine BS, anti-vaxx BS.   However, I found BBC Newsnight and other documentaries, so I'm comfortable it is surfacing and might get heard by the remaining sane.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 22, 2022, 08:22:56 pm ---There was a recent ad from "family planning" over here which stated that "Men too can get pregnant", with two stylized characters, one allegedly pregnant, the two being seemingly "women" with beards.
Oh, and they took it very seriously that it became polemic, too. Yeah. :palm:

--- End quote ---
It's true. Some women have penises, some men have vaginas, according to someone who gets paid more than me.  :palm:

The idea is gender is a social construct, not related to DNA or sexual organs, so a female can transition to a man, then get pregnant.

There was a scandal in the NHS awhile ago which involved training midwives to care for males, including catheterisation. There were a few videos and articles which went viral.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: paulca on August 22, 2022, 09:09:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 22, 2022, 08:04:29 pm ---I accept language changes as a natural process of evolution, but that's not what's happening here. It's forced to keep a tiny minority happy and it's mostly the privileged few sitting in their ivory towers, who are demanding it, rather than those who it's supposed to benefit.

--- End quote ---

My experience is it's not the minority in question actually doing the complaining.  It's the cloud of virtue signalling students/hang wringers/do-gooders/exploitational media/exploitation companies who think it's the latest "Up YOU!" to "the man" to support and broadcast, it's popular, it gets views, it creates interactions, positive and negative interactions sell adverts. 

In universities, in fringe groups, fine.  But it's leaked out somehow (social media) and needs to be re-contained.  These young minds in University are opened in many ways and often run amock with fantastical ideologies or re-inventing old ideologies.  This should not be discouraged.  But it should be contained.  Social media has allowed these radical views of a small subset of students to become a mainstream global public debate.  If it was my day we would all be forcing people to be socialists and demand policies to legalise all the drugs, if the student union got it's political say.  No, real violence came from it in my day, because it was CONTAINED in university to be discussed with other "opening" intelligent people, in class, in the pub, in the common room, discussion was open.  Heated, but open.  The world, the world's media and social media should not be exposed to that raw emerging intellect.  Somehow that got missed.  So now rampant, fringe, student ideologies are being spread and enforced as a kind of "ploughing of all established comprehension of humanity", turning it over. 

Easiest option isn't available really, or maybe it's coming and that is to wipe that smug little smile off their face and give them something a LITTLE more important to think about such as a world war.  But that might mess up the rest of us a bit too.  Something to make them realise they take for granted so much in the world and to stump on it ALL and criticise it, en-mass, without any academic credit or rigour or understanding of what it even means.... to reject all established understanding of gender, sex, etc.

Replace Gender and Sex with "Flat Earth and Science deniers".... except these people have got POWER and that is the FRIGHTENING thing.

In my day it was resistance to "the machine", "the system", refusal to be labelled, stamped, filed, categorised, classified or numbered!  The fear that credit card companies would start tracking us.  That forces unseen would start to try and control our birth rate and control fertility.  Lots of heavy metal and lots of SciFi from the 70s, 80s, 90s touches on this.  How that (or those points) aged.

The absurdity is that a lot of the transphobic comments are coming from trans people, who themselves are being counter invalidated by more modern ideologies.  I think we stand back and wait on it eating itself and hope it happens before we lose an entire generation of inspiring young adults to life long regret caused by a fad.  I know a lot of kids who got tatoo'd young, who have them surgically removed in their 20s.  What ARE we doing?

I have ended up watching far too much "actual" right wing content in my research these past few days, and a lot of far left content too.  I'm please to come back reporting that while I agree and can follow their points, there is smoke where there is fire, I can still smell bullshit off bullshit.  Sky New Australia in particular, present stories more "default left" media wouldn't, but they also post a load of utter garbage in the same light.  Unfortunately, nobody is going to take people seriously, when their line up is "Child gender mutilation, anti-science BS, anti-medicine BS, anti-vaxx BS.   However, I found BBC Newsnight and other documentaries, so I'm comfortable it is surfacing and might get heard by the remaining sane.

--- End quote ---
Were there any right wingers at university, or was it all a left wing echo chamber? I didn't go to university. I did an apprenticeship so wouldn't know. We didn't discuss politics at college much but most people seemed fairly centrist, probably a little right leaning, if anything.

It does seem somewhat paradoxical, that those who are in favour of extreme left wing policies, are also the most wealthy and have the most to lose if they were ever implemented.

Both the far left and right are anti-science.

This last 2 years has taught me to be more questioning of the mainstream narrative. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do smell a rat when doctors and scientists get cancelled for saying things which run counter to the accepted version of the truth. I know there's a lot of anti-vax BS, but there are genuine reasons to be sceptical about the most recently developed vaccines, especially repeat doses and in those who are at low risk. I think a big problem is being anti-anti-vax, as well as the large sums of money changing hands. Now I try to not dismiss someone as a quack for having a different point of view. I listen to what they have to say and why the believe it's true. Is there any evidence? Is it because they feel downtrodden? I try to give them the benefit for the doubt.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 22, 2022, 09:12:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 22, 2022, 08:22:56 pm ---There was a recent ad from "family planning" over here which stated that "Men too can get pregnant", with two stylized characters, one allegedly pregnant, the two being seemingly "women" with beards.
Oh, and they took it very seriously that it became polemic, too. Yeah. :palm:

--- End quote ---
It's true. Some women have penises, some men have vaginas, according to someone who gets paid more than me.  :palm:

The idea is gender is a social construct, not related to DNA or sexual organs, so a female can transition to a man, then get pregnant.

There was a scandal in the NHS awhile ago which involved training midwives to care for males, including catheterisation. There were a few videos and articles which went viral.

--- End quote ---

There was also this fun event: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/14/two-inmates-impregnated-transgender-inmate-all-wom/

And getting a bit far into the transformation: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-a-transgender-woman-could-get-pregnant/

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