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Simon:
Can we calm it down please.
daqq:

--- Quote from: IanB on August 23, 2022, 05:49:27 pm ---For example, suppose some hypothetical conservative company in prior decades were to pre-filter all the resumes and only keep the ones for males under 40 with western sounding names? Don't you think they would have a strong chance of missing out on some really good people?
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In this fictional company, the HR department is mostly made up of strawmen I assume?

--- Quote from: IanB on August 23, 2022, 08:46:39 pm ---Shouting is the last resort of those who don't have an argument.

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Was meant as emphasis and kind of "Please look at what you've actually wrote. Really, really look at it. Do you not see the problem?"
IanB:

--- Quote from: daqq on August 23, 2022, 08:53:29 pm ---Was meant as emphasis and kind of "Please look at what you've actually wrote. Really, really look at it. Do you not see the problem?"

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No, I don't. It seems unlikely that any company overtly filters resumes these days, especially given all the anti-discrimination laws. But people apparently are concerned about unconscious bias, such that they think its worth talking about it. For sure, all the policies and training materials are most likely for legal protection and compliance, to avoid falling foul of the law, but there is still an element of cultural awareness involved.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 23, 2022, 06:11:27 pm ---Don't be silly, of course they would miss out of majority of suitable candidates.  My point is, any company that is stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot, is already dying.  You cannot compete in todays global economy and marketplace, if you hobble your own workforce like that; and any company that did something as stupid as that ought to fail rather quickly.  You do not need to teach successful executives to not do that, because they already know that it would be a waste of resources; it would be the equivalent of rejecting profit.

Let me throw the question back to you: Do you seriously think any decades-old company is today pre-filtering resumes to keep only the males under 40 with western sounding names?  I do not, exactly because they're learned how business works.  If they hadn't, they'd gone under already.

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You may be underestimating the sheer inertia of large corporations. It seems as if almost every major corporation, at least a few years ago, had some sort of diversity quota program, it was extremely common almost to the point of becoming a meme.
Yes it will eventually bite them if it impacts that talent pool, but that could take a very long time.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: IanB on August 23, 2022, 05:49:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 23, 2022, 05:21:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: IanB on August 23, 2022, 04:27:40 pm ---For example, having a diversity policy helps to maximize the pool of candidates when hiring.
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This I don't understand.  Isn't it more important to get good candidates instead of many candidates?
Or is the idea that as long as you have sufficient numbers of candidates, some of them will do?

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I think you are being willfully obtuse here. You have a pool to choose from. If you artificially restrict the size of the pool, it is possible you might have excluded the best choice. For example, suppose some hypothetical conservative company in prior decades were to pre-filter all the resumes and only keep the ones for males under 40 with western sounding names? Don't you think they would have a strong chance of missing out on some really good people?

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I agree with your argument. This is not what we have an issue with. The issue is diversity quota, which has been documented several times, that it is happening. How about BBC: https://www.cineuropa.org/en/dossiernewsdetail/3372/398580/ Being an actor is also a job. How about the EU corporate board quota: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-08/eu-set-to-adopt-gender-quota-requirement-on-corporate-boards#
These sort of quotas go directly against merit and choosing the best candidate.
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