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| james_s:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 23, 2022, 09:56:58 pm ---You may be underestimating the sheer inertia of large corporations. It seems as if almost every major corporation, at least a few years ago, had some sort of diversity quota program, it was extremely common almost to the point of becoming a meme. Yes it will eventually bite them if it impacts that talent pool, but that could take a very long time. --- End quote --- A friend of mine is a fairly senior manager of a very large, very well known software company. He told me a while back that they have an official policy that he cannot hire a white male unless he can demonstrate that he tried to find a qualified diversity candidate. Bonuses are in some way tied to the level of diversity on the teams, with "diversity" meaning specifically race and gender. The company I work for has a similar policy in that people of certain races and gender are given a shortcut to the head of the line in the interviewing process. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---Being an actor is also a job --- End quote --- Although a straight, white actor isn't allowed to act other than in a straight, white part. Non-white LBGT++ actors are OK in any role, though, even straight, white ones. |
| wn1fju:
Many years ago I worked at a company who was interviewing for a software position. We interviewed two candidates, one of which was a minority. Turns out that in the months it took our company to go through the hiring process, the funds dried up, a hiring freeze was enacted, and we didn't extend an offer to either one of them. The minority candidate then filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the USA federal agency that enforces civil rights actions in the workplace. A representative for the EEOC came to our company to take depositions. The representative interviewed the head of our software development group and asked straight blank, "Do you discriminate when hiring?" Our software guy responded, "hell, yes I discriminate." The EEOC agent smiled as he thought to himself that he had a live one here and said, "What do you mean you discriminate." The software guy looked him straight in the eye and said, "I discriminate because I hire the best candidate." That was the end of the EEOC complaint, at least as far as our company goes. I have no idea what happened with the disgruntled candidate. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: james_s on August 23, 2022, 10:08:17 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on August 23, 2022, 09:56:58 pm ---You may be underestimating the sheer inertia of large corporations. It seems as if almost every major corporation, at least a few years ago, had some sort of diversity quota program, it was extremely common almost to the point of becoming a meme. Yes it will eventually bite them if it impacts that talent pool, but that could take a very long time. --- End quote --- A friend of mine is a fairly senior manager of a very large, very well known software company. He told me a while back that they have an official policy that he cannot hire a white male unless he can demonstrate that he tried to find a qualified diversity candidate. Bonuses are in some way tied to the level of diversity on the teams, with "diversity" meaning specifically race and gender. The company I work for has a similar policy in that people of certain races and gender are given a shortcut to the head of the line in the interviewing process. --- End quote --- The problem here is that when you have policies like that then it becomes very hard to do the usual thing you should do when hiring people in that if you have two reasonably equally qualified candidates then you pick the one you like the most based on "the vibe", and how well you think their personaility will fit in with the team etc. If one meets the diversity requirement and one doesn't, then it becomes harder to justify the one you liked better if they happen to be outside that diversity requirement. This become especially more relevant with graduates as they have more of less pretty much the same qualifcations and (lack of) experience, so it's very often simply who got along with the best. It quicky becomes blatant sexual and racial discrimination, but that's the entire point of "positive discrimination". Sometimes it's good, like having female only gyms for those that want that. But problmes arise when you try and implement it everywhere just because you can. |
| pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 23, 2022, 10:04:10 pm ---How about the EU corporate board quota: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-08/eu-set-to-adopt-gender-quota-requirement-on-corporate-boards# These sort of quotas go directly against merit and choosing the best candidate. --- End quote --- Looked at the mentioned article and thought "the fight is about equal rights and opportunities" with the emphasis on equal but the demanded quota of 40% woman is still not equal. Further more it states "non-executive director" positions, so executive director staff is still free of it. They do quote “There are plenty of women qualified for top jobs: they should be able to get them.” which indicates the jobs need to be filled with qualified women, not just women. In a way it is sad that legislation is needed to force the world into some equality. |
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