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fourfathom:
--- Quote from: KaneTW on August 26, 2022, 01:07:35 am ---Firing in Europe is *hard*
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Call me evil, but I'm glad it's easy to fire people here. I've worked too many places where people I would charitably call "deadwood" seem to accumulate year after year, dragging the whole department down. And I have worked at places where the written policy was to lay off 10% of the staff every year -- with pretty generous severance packages. The managers had to decide which 10% That sounds brutal, and certainly wasn't perfect, but it did result in a sharp and motivated group. Done poorly, it no doubt results in firing more senior people who get the higher salaries, and it somehow didn't seem to apply to upper management, but I still appreciated the results.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on August 26, 2022, 01:20:25 am ---
--- Quote from: KaneTW on August 26, 2022, 01:07:35 am ---Firing in Europe is *hard*
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Call me evil, but I'm glad it's easy to fire people here. I've worked too many places where people I would charitably call "deadwood" seem to accumulate year after year, dragging the whole department down. And I have worked at places where the written policy was to lay off 10% of the staff every year -- with pretty generous severance packages. The managers had to decide which 10% That sounds brutal, and certainly wasn't perfect, but it did result in a sharp and motivated group. Done poorly, it no doubt results in firing more senior people who get the higher salaries, and it somehow didn't seem to apply to upper management, but I still appreciated the results.
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Here it's next to imposisble for government departments to just fire people, the process takes a very long time and the employee can drag it on for a very long time.
Regular companies have checklist:
https://www.fairwork.gov.au/tools-and-resources/fact-sheets/minimum-workplace-entitlements/ending-employment#:~:text=Generally%2C%20an%20employer%20must%20not,pay%20in%20lieu%20of%20notice).
The workaround is to always declare it as a redundancy, and then different laws apply.
KaneTW:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on August 26, 2022, 01:20:25 am ---And I have worked at places where the written policy was to lay off 10% of the staff every year
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That sounds insane to me. The training/onboarding overhead must be enormous. I have a hard time hiring as-is.
Then again, big companies can be much less careful in who they hire.
I do think it's definitely too hard to fire people over here, but it's also a different work culture.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on August 26, 2022, 12:46:22 am ---Is there an active forum thread where old-timers and newbies can share stories and advice? That would be fun, and we're dragging this one into major thread-drift.
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I don't think so?
Feel free to start one, it's technically off-topic but I think it's interesting.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Bud on August 26, 2022, 12:52:53 am ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 24, 2022, 06:54:45 pm ---, promoting an employee to a management position for no clear apparent reason (including, they didn't ask for it) can be a red flag indeed. It's a common way for a company to push someone out gently when it has no solid ground for sacking them.
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I do not know who would do it this, it seems to be a really weird way to get rid of someone.
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They do it because they don't want any potential hassle of an unfair dismissal lawsuit or claim. Some disgruntled employees can tie up a lot of your time and/or lawyer money if you just fire them.
If the employee quits because they don't like the job any more then it's way way harder to hassle you about that.
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