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Re: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
« Reply #350 on: August 26, 2022, 05:18:25 pm »
Well, right there you are already in trouble.  It's kind of like using the word "niggardly" and expecting others to accept that it etymologically unrelated to the "N-word".

But it is unrelated, there is no connection whatsoever aside from having some vaguely similar sounds in it. When a person somehow connects the two words I think it says a lot more about them than about the person using the word.

Absolutely.  I very often turn that stuff right around and present it back to them.  If they are going to project that crap into my mouth it's coming back at them.

Funny aside.  I picked up my headphones to listen to some music and the a British Female voice said, "Over 60 percent battery left.".  I said, "Thanks love.".....   I'm doomed!  LOL Honestly though, I don't think I've called a real woman "love" in my life!
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« Reply #351 on: August 26, 2022, 05:23:13 pm »
Well, right there you are already in trouble.  It's kind of like using the word "niggardly" and expecting others to accept that it etymologically unrelated to the "N-word".
But it is unrelated, there is no connection whatsoever aside from having some vaguely similar sounds in it. When a person somehow connects the two words I think it says a lot more about them than about the person using the word.

Yes, of course.  But use that word in a mixed crowd and see what happens.  The DEI warriors will have your head on a spike.  Remember, it's "Systemic".  Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_niggardly
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« Reply #352 on: August 26, 2022, 05:27:16 pm »
Based on this information I think you are right in that they don't want to get rid of you.

Yea, and I complain about the projects out in the field with the big US giants, but the thing is, they are lucrative, very much so.  Multimillion pound deals.  So far the company has paid me well for it.  They are difficult projects, for difficult customers, in difficult, almost maddeningly so, development environments.  A large percentage of people just bolt.  Attrition is high.  I just seem to have some sort of sucker for punishment.  But I am aware it builds character and it is noticed on a CV, at least for those aware of the sector.

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That was just one example.  The banter in the exec staff is fierce, even openly on company wide calls.  I've heard worse than the fat lady sings!  The company briefings are like watching an Irish comedy talk show... literally that's the style they present in.
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« Reply #353 on: August 26, 2022, 05:48:44 pm »
Firing in Europe is *hard*

Call me evil, but I'm glad it's easy to fire people here.  I've worked too many places where people I would charitably call "deadwood" seem to accumulate year after year, dragging the whole department down.  And I have worked at places where the written policy was to lay off 10% of the staff every year -- with pretty generous severance packages.  The managers had to decide which 10%  That sounds brutal, and certainly wasn't perfect, but it did result in a sharp and motivated group.  Done poorly, it no doubt results in firing more senior people who get the higher salaries, and it somehow didn't seem to apply to upper management, but I still appreciated the results.

Surely it is possible to have some middle ground. Here I think in many jobs it is too easy to fire somebody, while in other jobs (union for example) it is too hard. Both situations lead to problems.
 

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« Reply #354 on: August 26, 2022, 06:20:15 pm »
It's interesting.  I know here that banks are particularly interested in where and how long you have worked where you are.  Job security mean financial security.  So they will lend you more for less.

This is a good thing.  My house is concrete block and brick, walls 30cm thick, with a concrete tile roof.  It's "built".  It's about 60 years old now, barely showing a crack, needed a little repointing and it's been reglazed a few times, but it'll be here when I'm gone and I expect it will be here for the next 50 to 100 years.  You can throw storms at it, hail at it, it just bounces off.  That's like most houses round these parts.  Downside is, they cost a fortune to build, cost a lot to own.

I remind people of this when they shrug about US encroachment into our legal rights and employment rights.  (No surprise, US companies want UK contractors to work US terms).  If we shift towards a "Pack your desk, your fired", on Monday morning approach, like the US, banks WONT lend people enough to buy houses here without 50% deposits and stupid interest.

That and a whole other "cost of living" factors.
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« Reply #355 on: August 26, 2022, 07:07:36 pm »
If we shift towards a "Pack your desk, your fired", on Monday morning approach, like the US, banks WONT lend people enough to buy houses here without 50% deposits and stupid interest.

About that: Even in the USA, most companies recognize that good employees are worth keeping for the long-haul.  Personally, I would usually stay at a job for five years or more -- I was at my pre-startup company for ten years (and I joined that one as a startup as well).  I've only been fired once, and that was (I believe) due mostly to internal inter-department rivalry.  I was a test tech but Engineering kept grabbing me off the production line to help build and debug new stuff, and the Test manager couldn't stop them -- so he fired me.   I also quit the next job the day before I was supposed to start, but that's a different story.

That "lay off 10%" policy I mentioned was pretty extreme, most companies were more moderate about it.  I assume that the big "10%" company found that the more typical policy resulted in a gradual rise in mediocrity.  I've seen it happen elsewhere as over time the sharper employees depart for greener pastures, leaving behind the ones who don't care or can't cut it elsewhere. 

Even in a good company you can become bored if the job ends up being supporting legacy products with only occasional incremental development.  That's why I gravitated to startups -- no legacy product and a clean sheet of paper.  Why be stuck supporting a ten-year old design when you know it can be done better, faster, and cheaper with new technology?  That, plus the opportunity to learn new stuff?

But if you quit you need to do it without burning bridges, and sometimes (in a downturn) you are just plain lucky to have a job.  Be practical about it. And bear in mind that my advice is 20 years old -- I retired at a fairly young age.
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« Reply #356 on: August 26, 2022, 07:22:39 pm »
Well, since the "great resign" movement in the US (and in other parts of the world as well!), I don't think companies are currently much into firing people on the spot like this anymore (unless the employee did something awful.) They have a hard time enough keeping employees as it is.
 

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« Reply #357 on: August 27, 2022, 03:53:07 am »
I remind people of this when they shrug about US encroachment into our legal rights and employment rights.  (No surprise, US companies want UK contractors to work US terms).  If we shift towards a "Pack your desk, your fired", on Monday morning approach, like the US, banks WONT lend people enough to buy houses here without 50% deposits and stupid interest.

That isn't an issue here, why would it be there?  Different banking rules?  Is it harder to repossess the house in case of default? 

The ability to fire on-the-spot for reasonable cause really doesn't hurt reasonable people.  And unless you adopt pretty extreme labor laws, the cost of shedding employees due to performance or redundancy is not going to be much more than the actual policies of most established large US companies.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2022/08/26/ford-salaried-workers-who-lost-jobs-now-review-severance-offers/65458898007/

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« Reply #358 on: August 27, 2022, 04:05:18 am »
The ability to fire on-the-spot for reasonable cause really doesn't hurt reasonable people.  And unless you adopt pretty extreme labor laws, the cost of shedding employees due to performance or redundancy is not going to be much more than the actual policies of most established large US companies.

The thing is, in most states you don't need reasonable cause, you can fire anyone at any time without reason, the problem with this being that it's very easy to fire them for a reason you should not be able to by simply not stating the reason. I don't really have a great solution for this, but I do think a person should be protected from firing for anything that they legally do outside of work on their own time while not representing their employer.
 

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« Reply #359 on: August 27, 2022, 01:05:36 pm »
The ability to fire on-the-spot for reasonable cause really doesn't hurt reasonable people.  And unless you adopt pretty extreme labor laws, the cost of shedding employees due to performance or redundancy is not going to be much more than the actual policies of most established large US companies.

The thing is, in most states you don't need reasonable cause, you can fire anyone at any time without reason, the problem with this being that it's very easy to fire them for a reason you should not be able to by simply not stating the reason. I don't really have a great solution for this, but I do think a person should be protected from firing for anything that they legally do outside of work on their own time while not representing their employer.

WRT unfair dismissal laws, way back in 2005 we had a thing called work choices. Look it up on wiki for an overview. I'll only discuss the specific BS with it privately. But I will say it sure is a master class on how to fuck up federal industrial relations.

Today, in the news they are talking about actually implementing a law that requires companies with 250+ employees to report the salaries because, apparently, one gender(?) feels it is being ripped off.

My beef is that the idiots asking for this obviously haven't looked at the history of this being implemented in other jurisdictions and I don't need my crystal ball to tell you what will happen.
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Re: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
« Reply #360 on: August 27, 2022, 06:59:08 pm »
Interesting.

I've been involved in dismissal of an employee.  I stood by him until I could not longer.  They put him on a insert-careful-wording-for-report which meant he had to report to "third parties" to his role about his weekly activities.  Then face a review with his line / team etc.  It came to me when most teams rejected him.  I took him as a brand new junior and tried to give him a real (as I could make it) bit of work.  He failed after a week to even ask the right questions, so I sent him the answer in pigeon IM code.  He still didn't manage to complete the task....  write a single method of code and it's unit tests, to calculate "notional value" for an order.  The object he had access to, had both price and quantity.  I gave him the formula.   price*quantity.   Weeks.  I tried everything I could.  I spent hours with him.  Nothing.  It turned out, he had only passed the entry exam at the end of the "academy" by copying someone elses work.  He copy and pasted messages I sent to him on company comms onto Reddit.  There he received a roasting, in his responses he mentioned both the company and the client.  He didn't get sacked for that either.  He jumped eventually, before we pushed him.

I've also been made redundant twice.  Neither company exist anymore, shrug.  In the first case I got not just a fair severence to the sum of 25% salary, tax free + a 4k please-stay-till-the-end bonus.  The grave yard shift.  Misserable.  But they gave me unlimited time off for interviews.  Second wasn't so great, but the instant I left there I had invites from the company I've been with since.  Basically, "Coffee?"  on Linked in.

In one of those companies, actually both of them, the US decree for "pick em and fire em" came down.  In both cases our local management called a local site wide meeting and said, "Fuck them.", basically.  All the managers responded with counter resignations.  Nobody go sacked.  They did suspend the entire 50% of staff who where self-employed contractors for the month of December.  Christmas.  Ouch.  The government stepped in though and told them to keep their US policies to the US or they'll lose their "benefits" in kind.

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Re: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
« Reply #361 on: August 28, 2022, 01:47:44 am »
Interesting.

I've been involved in dismissal of an employee.  I stood by him until I could not longer.  They put him on a insert-careful-wording-for-report which meant he had to report to "third parties" to his role about his weekly activities.  Then face a review with his line / team etc.  It came to me when most teams rejected him.  I took him as a brand new junior and tried to give him a real (as I could make it) bit of work.  He failed after a week to even ask the right questions, so I sent him the answer in pigeon IM code.  He still didn't manage to complete the task....  write a single method of code and it's unit tests, to calculate "notional value" for an order.  The object he had access to, had both price and quantity.  I gave him the formula.   price*quantity.   Weeks.  I tried everything I could.  I spent hours with him.  Nothing.  It turned out, he had only passed the entry exam at the end of the "academy" by copying someone elses work.  He copy and pasted messages I sent to him on company comms onto Reddit.  There he received a roasting, in his responses he mentioned both the company and the client.  He didn't get sacked for that either.  He jumped eventually, before we pushed him.
I have had a similar co-worker at some point. Could not program a single line of code and yet managed to get hired as a programmer. In the NL it is custom to get a temporary contract first which usually lasts somewhere between 6 to 18 months. It is kind of an extended trial period. So it is relatively easy to get rid of people that got hired under false pretences.
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« Reply #362 on: August 28, 2022, 01:56:58 am »
I got dismissed back in 2005. The guy I answered to downloaded a 3 page PDF file, printed it out and stapled it together. Then he handed it to me and asked me to make several photocopies! I said to him why don't you just print some more from the PDF??? That was too much. He ran to his higher-up and I was out.

Never looked back.  :) Nowadays on a good day I can make about twenty times as much per hour, not adjusted for inflation. So I simply work way less. Enough hours to get by and I'm happy.
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« Reply #363 on: August 28, 2022, 03:07:33 am »
I have had a similar co-worker at some point. Could not program a single line of code and yet managed to get hired as a programmer. In the NL it is custom to get a temporary contract first which usually lasts somewhere between 6 to 18 months. It is kind of an extended trial period. So it is relatively easy to get rid of people that got hired under false pretences.

I had one too, I was often responsible for QAing his code, and more often than not the bug fixes and features he gave me were partially fixed, incomplete or just flat out still broken. He'd often close bugs as No Repro when it was clear he had not even really tried. On top of that, I got stuck in a kayak with him on a team outing once and I'm not exaggerating when I say I would have been better off with a stack of cinder blocks in my boat because he couldn't paddle worth a crap and was just dead weight. Eventually he got put on a performance improvement program and when that failed he was finally given a month to find another job. 
 
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« Reply #364 on: August 28, 2022, 05:33:57 am »
Paulca: Thanks for noticing that 'slip' where they mention 'EQUITY'...(That's real money)!
   As to a minor incident on my turf, I got INSTANTLY labeled as a Trump-Hannity-Fox News freak...just for simply mentioning a political question, along the lines of what this thread examines.  (You), a Person doesn't even have to 'take sides' anymore...just one question, or two, can get you into cancel territory...
Too bad, you need a job, and I only joke because this subject is laughable...
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« Reply #365 on: August 28, 2022, 06:10:15 am »
YES, James_S, I loath this modern 'diversity' hyper-aware (and cancel-culture).  Needed some help, from the local Disability Rights / Services non-profit.  But, this time (2021) it was different; Now they are 'diverse' was first message telegraphed, (by explicit mention).
Now, they are working at home, a horrible mess of missed messages, phone tag, and outright refusal to dole out services, (available transportation programs for disabled medical appointments).
They really got cold on me, after I let it slip, that the organization needed to 'refocus' on helping the community disabled, and 'leave the diversity pride' out of it...
There I went, running the mouth, that's about the worst you can do, to the truly distracted, is run the mouth or 'observe' them.
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« Reply #366 on: August 28, 2022, 10:22:20 am »
This shit has infected our armed services. The RAF has paused hiring white men. The head of recruitment has resigned in protest.  :palm:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/16/raf-recruitment-chief-quits-amid-row-pause-hiring-white-men/

Has it ever occurred to them that more white men apply because they tend to be more interested in the job? Men are generally more aggressive and therefore interested in fighting and those who are born here, to families who have been here for many generations, have a greater investment in this country therefore are more likely to defend it.
 
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« Reply #367 on: August 28, 2022, 12:24:17 pm »
This shit has infected our armed services. The RAF has paused hiring white men. The head of recruitment has resigned in protest.  :palm:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/16/raf-recruitment-chief-quits-amid-row-pause-hiring-white-men/

Has it ever occurred to them that more white men apply because they tend to be more interested in the job? Men are generally more aggressive and therefore interested in fighting and those who are born here, to families who have been here for many generations, have a greater investment in this country therefore are more likely to defend it.

A very wise decision, with what these days is going on in the world :-DD (For those not getting it this is sarcasm and aimed at the pause of hiring white men, not the resigning of the head of recruitment)

It would be very nice if there was no need for an army, but unfortunately impossible with respect to human nature. And even though woman are well capable of fight it is stupid to think that this is where they really want equal opportunity. The world is going crazy :palm:

And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.

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« Reply #368 on: August 28, 2022, 03:36:55 pm »
And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.

To me, this is the big issue with lack of diversity in Engineering.  Some people just aren't interested in being an Engineer, and some of [those people] who do join the field don't stick with it.  Likely reasons:
  • Proportionally less interested in the filed, due to nature/nurture
  • Once in the field, aren't happy to be surrounded by others who are not like them
  • At work, the dominant white males harass or otherwise make them feel unwelcome

Of these, I think that #3 is the least likely, at least in modern times.  I would honestly like to hear from non-white men who are in Engineering, or who were but choose not to stay in the field.  Because the solution of the diversity issue depends on the reason for the lack of diversity,  It seems that many who are proposing solutions are doing so based on unfounded assumptions designed to mesh with their favorite political theory.  And of course if the reason is mainly #1, then perhaps it isn't a problem at all.
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« Reply #369 on: August 28, 2022, 05:47:37 pm »
And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.

To me, this is the big issue with lack of diversity in Engineering.  Some people just aren't interested in being an Engineer, and some of [those people] who do join the field don't stick with it.  Likely reasons:
  • Proportionally less interested in the filed, due to nature/nurture
  • Once in the field, aren't happy to be surrounded by others who are not like them
  • At work, the dominant white males harass or otherwise make them feel unwelcome

Of these, I think that #3 is the least likely, at least in modern times.  I would honestly like to hear from non-white men who are in Engineering, or who were but choose not to stay in the field.  Because the solution of the diversity issue depends on the reason for the lack of diversity,  It seems that many who are proposing solutions are doing so based on unfounded assumptions designed to mesh with their favorite political theory.  And of course if the reason is mainly #1, then perhaps it isn't a problem at all.
There are plenty of non-white people employed in engineering where I work. After the BLM riots a couple of years ago, I asked them if they've had problems with racism and they all said no. The last time they experienced racism was a few decades ago at school. I know this is a small sample size, so isn't conclusive.

Racism does appear to be grossly exaggerated by the mainstream media. Stirring up racism increases interest in the news, boosting ratings. Pressure groups set up back when racism was more of a problem, now want to alive, as they still have staff to pay and now there are companies teaching DEI, who also have vested interests in keeping racism alive. There's too much money in racism to allow it to die.

Why do you care about diversity? I'm indifferent to it. I think it has disadvantages, just as much as advantages. People with different cultural backgrounds are more prone to misunderstandings which can cause conflict. On the other hand, diversity of opinion can be good, as it helps generating a range of different solutions.
 

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« Reply #370 on: August 28, 2022, 06:15:47 pm »
And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.

To me, this is the big issue with lack of diversity in Engineering.  Some people just aren't interested in being an Engineer, and some of [those people] who do join the field don't stick with it.  Likely reasons:
  • Proportionally less interested in the filed, due to nature/nurture
  • Once in the field, aren't happy to be surrounded by others who are not like them
  • At work, the dominant white males harass or otherwise make them feel unwelcome

Of these, I think that #3 is the least likely, at least in modern times.  I would honestly like to hear from non-white men who are in Engineering, or who were but choose not to stay in the field.  Because the solution of the diversity issue depends on the reason for the lack of diversity,  It seems that many who are proposing solutions are doing so based on unfounded assumptions designed to mesh with their favorite political theory.  And of course if the reason is mainly #1, then perhaps it isn't a problem at all.
There are plenty of non-white people employed in engineering where I work. After the BLM riots a couple of years ago, I asked them if they've had problems with racism and they all said no. The last time they experienced racism was a few decades ago at school. I know this is a small sample size, so isn't conclusive.

I'm just using the "allowed" class of oppressors in my argument.  In fact, in Silicon Valley where I was working some companies were majority Indian, with Pakastani, Chinese, and Vietnamese  not far behind.  We all joked about the "Indian Mafia" actually running things.  My last startup was founded mostly by Indian-descent people, I was one of the few WASP founders.  As we grew so did the diversity, but probably not in the way that the DEI-warriors intended.  We weren't 100% male, but it was close to the traditional mix.

Racism does appear to be grossly exaggerated by the mainstream media. Stirring up racism increases interest in the news, boosting ratings. Pressure groups set up back when racism was more of a problem, now want to alive, as they still have staff to pay and now there are companies teaching DEI, who also have vested interests in keeping racism alive. There's too much money in racism to allow it to die.

Why do you care about diversity? I'm indifferent to it. I think it has disadvantages, just as much as advantages. People with different cultural backgrounds are more prone to misunderstandings which can cause conflict. On the other hand, diversity of opinion can be good, as it helps generating a range of different solutions.

Personally, I don't care about diversity.  I care about competence and attitude, and that people get to do what they like (and are good at).
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« Reply #371 on: August 29, 2022, 08:40:00 pm »
Personally, I see no benefit at all to this forced "diversity".

Where is the benefit in 100,000 unemployed Somalis roaming around London? Where is the benefit in 300,000 largely hostile muslims turning Birmingham into an islamic enclave? Where is the benefit in an estimated one million English girls being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs?

Oh but of course, we can get a pizza delivered at 1am by an Albanian on a small motorcycle, so it must all be worth it.  |O

Why would we want our workplaces to reflect the demographic hell-scapes that Western countries have become? To what possible end would that be desirable? Why would we want to force women into engineering when their natural inclinations generally operate in other directions? It is a mass mental-derangement. I increasingly feel like I have been abducted by aliens and placed on another planet.

 

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« Reply #372 on: August 29, 2022, 08:48:34 pm »
Personally, I see no benefit at all to this forced "diversity".

Where is the benefit in 100,000 unemployed Somalis roaming around London? Where is the benefit in 300,000 largely hostile muslims turning Birmingham into an islamic enclave? Where is the benefit in an estimated one million English girls being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs?

Oh but of course, we can get a pizza delivered at 1am by an Albanian on a small motorcycle, so it must all be worth it.  |O

Why would we want our workplaces to reflect the demographic hell-scapes that Western countries have become? To what possible end would that be desirable? Why would we want to force women into engineering when their natural inclinations generally operate in other directions? It is a mass mental-derangement. I increasingly feel like I have been abducted by aliens and placed on another planet.
They all need somewhere to live, which drives up house prices, benefiting land owners and building companies. They'll work for less than the minimum wage, providing a source of cheap labour for local businesses.
 

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Re: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
« Reply #373 on: August 29, 2022, 10:26:51 pm »
Personally, I see no benefit at all to this forced "diversity".

Where is the benefit in 100,000 unemployed Somalis roaming around London? Where is the benefit in 300,000 largely hostile muslims turning Birmingham into an islamic enclave? Where is the benefit in an estimated one million English girls being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs?

Oh but of course, we can get a pizza delivered at 1am by an Albanian on a small motorcycle, so it must all be worth it.  |O
Maybe the local police in Rotherham could answer that question. >:(
The whole world knows about this.
Scroll down the page and see what most of the hits are for Rotherham & police
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=rotherham+police&source=hp&ei=WzwNY_OJMcHm4-EPpOmqqAc&oq=rotherham&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyAggpMgoIABCxAxCDARBDMgoILhCxAxCDARBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgUIABCABDoFCCkQgAQ6CwgpELEDEIMBEJECOgcIKRCgARAKOgYIKRAeEBY6BwgpEEcQsAM6BwgpENQCEA06CAgpEIAEELEDOgsIKRCABBCxAxCDAToOCAAQjwEQ6gIQjAMQ5QI6BwguENQCEEM6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BUMQOWI4aYO8kaABwAHgAgAGvA4gBnROSAQkwLjMuNi4wLjGYAQCgAQGwAR4&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#ip=1
 

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Re: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
« Reply #374 on: August 29, 2022, 11:41:08 pm »
Entertaining Diversity, Equity and Inclusion news from UK trash (which means few knows what actually play'd out)  papers: :popcorn:

Police remove lesbians from gay pride parade in Cardiff:
Moment cop tells gender-critical women to leave LGBT march
because 'whatever you are, you're causing confrontation' with
trans groups and their supporters.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11153811/Police-remove-LESBIANS-Pride-march-Cardiff-Officer-tells-gender-critical-women-leave.html
« Last Edit: August 29, 2022, 11:51:08 pm by MT »
 


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