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RJSV:
YES, James_S, I loath this modern 'diversity' hyper-aware (and cancel-culture).  Needed some help, from the local Disability Rights / Services non-profit.  But, this time (2021) it was different; Now they are 'diverse' was first message telegraphed, (by explicit mention).
Now, they are working at home, a horrible mess of missed messages, phone tag, and outright refusal to dole out services, (available transportation programs for disabled medical appointments).
They really got cold on me, after I let it slip, that the organization needed to 'refocus' on helping the community disabled, and 'leave the diversity pride' out of it...
There I went, running the mouth, that's about the worst you can do, to the truly distracted, is run the mouth or 'observe' them.
   Today, it's another whole year, and those office workers STILL want to be 'at home'. (Diversely, I guess).

Zero999:
This shit has infected our armed services. The RAF has paused hiring white men. The head of recruitment has resigned in protest.  :palm:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/16/raf-recruitment-chief-quits-amid-row-pause-hiring-white-men/

Has it ever occurred to them that more white men apply because they tend to be more interested in the job? Men are generally more aggressive and therefore interested in fighting and those who are born here, to families who have been here for many generations, have a greater investment in this country therefore are more likely to defend it.

pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 28, 2022, 10:22:20 am ---This shit has infected our armed services. The RAF has paused hiring white men. The head of recruitment has resigned in protest.  :palm:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/16/raf-recruitment-chief-quits-amid-row-pause-hiring-white-men/

Has it ever occurred to them that more white men apply because they tend to be more interested in the job? Men are generally more aggressive and therefore interested in fighting and those who are born here, to families who have been here for many generations, have a greater investment in this country therefore are more likely to defend it.

--- End quote ---

A very wise decision, with what these days is going on in the world :-DD (For those not getting it this is sarcasm and aimed at the pause of hiring white men, not the resigning of the head of recruitment)

It would be very nice if there was no need for an army, but unfortunately impossible with respect to human nature. And even though woman are well capable of fight it is stupid to think that this is where they really want equal opportunity. The world is going crazy :palm:

And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.

fourfathom:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 28, 2022, 12:24:17 pm ---And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.
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To me, this is the big issue with lack of diversity in Engineering.  Some people just aren't interested in being an Engineer, and some of [those people] who do join the field don't stick with it.  Likely reasons:

* Proportionally less interested in the filed, due to nature/nurture
* Once in the field, aren't happy to be surrounded by others who are not like them
* At work, the dominant white males harass or otherwise make them feel unwelcome
Of these, I think that #3 is the least likely, at least in modern times.  I would honestly like to hear from non-white men who are in Engineering, or who were but choose not to stay in the field.  Because the solution of the diversity issue depends on the reason for the lack of diversity,  It seems that many who are proposing solutions are doing so based on unfounded assumptions designed to mesh with their favorite political theory.  And of course if the reason is mainly #1, then perhaps it isn't a problem at all.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on August 28, 2022, 03:36:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 28, 2022, 12:24:17 pm ---And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.
--- End quote ---

To me, this is the big issue with lack of diversity in Engineering.  Some people just aren't interested in being an Engineer, and some of [those people] who do join the field don't stick with it.  Likely reasons:

* Proportionally less interested in the filed, due to nature/nurture
* Once in the field, aren't happy to be surrounded by others who are not like them
* At work, the dominant white males harass or otherwise make them feel unwelcome
Of these, I think that #3 is the least likely, at least in modern times.  I would honestly like to hear from non-white men who are in Engineering, or who were but choose not to stay in the field.  Because the solution of the diversity issue depends on the reason for the lack of diversity,  It seems that many who are proposing solutions are doing so based on unfounded assumptions designed to mesh with their favorite political theory.  And of course if the reason is mainly #1, then perhaps it isn't a problem at all.

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There are plenty of non-white people employed in engineering where I work. After the BLM riots a couple of years ago, I asked them if they've had problems with racism and they all said no. The last time they experienced racism was a few decades ago at school. I know this is a small sample size, so isn't conclusive.

Racism does appear to be grossly exaggerated by the mainstream media. Stirring up racism increases interest in the news, boosting ratings. Pressure groups set up back when racism was more of a problem, now want to alive, as they still have staff to pay and now there are companies teaching DEI, who also have vested interests in keeping racism alive. There's too much money in racism to allow it to die.

Why do you care about diversity? I'm indifferent to it. I think it has disadvantages, just as much as advantages. People with different cultural backgrounds are more prone to misunderstandings which can cause conflict. On the other hand, diversity of opinion can be good, as it helps generating a range of different solutions.

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