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fourfathom:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 28, 2022, 05:47:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: fourfathom on August 28, 2022, 03:36:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 28, 2022, 12:24:17 pm ---And before anyone trips over this, yes I know there are also men of different color up for the job, but the question is if they apply for it too.
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To me, this is the big issue with lack of diversity in Engineering.  Some people just aren't interested in being an Engineer, and some of [those people] who do join the field don't stick with it.  Likely reasons:

* Proportionally less interested in the filed, due to nature/nurture
* Once in the field, aren't happy to be surrounded by others who are not like them
* At work, the dominant white males harass or otherwise make them feel unwelcome
Of these, I think that #3 is the least likely, at least in modern times.  I would honestly like to hear from non-white men who are in Engineering, or who were but choose not to stay in the field.  Because the solution of the diversity issue depends on the reason for the lack of diversity,  It seems that many who are proposing solutions are doing so based on unfounded assumptions designed to mesh with their favorite political theory.  And of course if the reason is mainly #1, then perhaps it isn't a problem at all.

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There are plenty of non-white people employed in engineering where I work. After the BLM riots a couple of years ago, I asked them if they've had problems with racism and they all said no. The last time they experienced racism was a few decades ago at school. I know this is a small sample size, so isn't conclusive.
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I'm just using the "allowed" class of oppressors in my argument.  In fact, in Silicon Valley where I was working some companies were majority Indian, with Pakastani, Chinese, and Vietnamese  not far behind.  We all joked about the "Indian Mafia" actually running things.  My last startup was founded mostly by Indian-descent people, I was one of the few WASP founders.  As we grew so did the diversity, but probably not in the way that the DEI-warriors intended.  We weren't 100% male, but it was close to the traditional mix.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 28, 2022, 05:47:37 pm ---Racism does appear to be grossly exaggerated by the mainstream media. Stirring up racism increases interest in the news, boosting ratings. Pressure groups set up back when racism was more of a problem, now want to alive, as they still have staff to pay and now there are companies teaching DEI, who also have vested interests in keeping racism alive. There's too much money in racism to allow it to die.

Why do you care about diversity? I'm indifferent to it. I think it has disadvantages, just as much as advantages. People with different cultural backgrounds are more prone to misunderstandings which can cause conflict. On the other hand, diversity of opinion can be good, as it helps generating a range of different solutions.
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Personally, I don't care about diversity.  I care about competence and attitude, and that people get to do what they like (and are good at).

TwistedTransistor:
Personally, I see no benefit at all to this forced "diversity".

Where is the benefit in 100,000 unemployed Somalis roaming around London? Where is the benefit in 300,000 largely hostile muslims turning Birmingham into an islamic enclave? Where is the benefit in an estimated one million English girls being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs?

Oh but of course, we can get a pizza delivered at 1am by an Albanian on a small motorcycle, so it must all be worth it.  |O

Why would we want our workplaces to reflect the demographic hell-scapes that Western countries have become? To what possible end would that be desirable? Why would we want to force women into engineering when their natural inclinations generally operate in other directions? It is a mass mental-derangement. I increasingly feel like I have been abducted by aliens and placed on another planet.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: TwistedTransistor on August 29, 2022, 08:40:00 pm ---Personally, I see no benefit at all to this forced "diversity".

Where is the benefit in 100,000 unemployed Somalis roaming around London? Where is the benefit in 300,000 largely hostile muslims turning Birmingham into an islamic enclave? Where is the benefit in an estimated one million English girls being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs?

Oh but of course, we can get a pizza delivered at 1am by an Albanian on a small motorcycle, so it must all be worth it.  |O

Why would we want our workplaces to reflect the demographic hell-scapes that Western countries have become? To what possible end would that be desirable? Why would we want to force women into engineering when their natural inclinations generally operate in other directions? It is a mass mental-derangement. I increasingly feel like I have been abducted by aliens and placed on another planet.

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They all need somewhere to live, which drives up house prices, benefiting land owners and building companies. They'll work for less than the minimum wage, providing a source of cheap labour for local businesses.

Circlotron:

--- Quote from: TwistedTransistor on August 29, 2022, 08:40:00 pm ---Personally, I see no benefit at all to this forced "diversity".

Where is the benefit in 100,000 unemployed Somalis roaming around London? Where is the benefit in 300,000 largely hostile muslims turning Birmingham into an islamic enclave? Where is the benefit in an estimated one million English girls being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs?

Oh but of course, we can get a pizza delivered at 1am by an Albanian on a small motorcycle, so it must all be worth it.  |O

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Maybe the local police in Rotherham could answer that question. >:(
The whole world knows about this.
Scroll down the page and see what most of the hits are for Rotherham & police
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=rotherham+police&source=hp&ei=WzwNY_OJMcHm4-EPpOmqqAc&oq=rotherham&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyAggpMgoIABCxAxCDARBDMgoILhCxAxCDARBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgUIABCABDoFCCkQgAQ6CwgpELEDEIMBEJECOgcIKRCgARAKOgYIKRAeEBY6BwgpEEcQsAM6BwgpENQCEA06CAgpEIAEELEDOgsIKRCABBCxAxCDAToOCAAQjwEQ6gIQjAMQ5QI6BwguENQCEEM6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BUMQOWI4aYO8kaABwAHgAgAGvA4gBnROSAQkwLjMuNi4wLjGYAQCgAQGwAR4&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#ip=1

MT:
Entertaining Diversity, Equity and Inclusion news from UK trash (which means few knows what actually play'd out)  papers: :popcorn:

Police remove lesbians from gay pride parade in Cardiff:
Moment cop tells gender-critical women to leave LGBT march
because 'whatever you are, you're causing confrontation' with
trans groups and their supporters.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11153811/Police-remove-LESBIANS-Pride-march-Cardiff-Officer-tells-gender-critical-women-leave.html

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