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Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on August 18, 2022, 04:35:29 am ---Which tells you all you really need to know about his followers.
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Yes, let's define everyone a follower, because it is impossible for a human being to listen to contradictory opinions and make up their own minds.

Anyone who listens to people I do not like is an enemy, and that tells you all you really need to know about them.

Right?

:palm:


--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 04:43:48 am ---For those who want to know how deep the rot goes on this topic. Not only have I personally been attempted "cancelled" over this (which I really don't care about, water off a ducks back), but most disturbingly, friends and associates of mine have been attacked and they have tried to ruin their lives over mere association with someone who has the "wrong opinion" on this topic.
It is toxic to the core.

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As history shows, the results of this will once again be completely different to what has been touted as the reason for doing this.

Then, we'll have that "But nobody could have predicted this [even though they described this exact outcome time and time again, we could not listen to them because they disagreed with us and therefore were necessarily excluded from interaction]" handwashing and blameshifting, before the cycle repeats once again.

I am tired of this.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Circlotron on August 18, 2022, 09:08:41 am ---One way to address all this gender nonsense is when certain people clamour for a female head of state, or for half of the board of directors of a company to be women, or some similar situation, is to ask them would it be an  acceptable solution if those male incumbent people now identified as women? And if that is not acceptable, why not? Would they not actually be women despite identifying as such? A large enough group of people will be divided on this issue and begin fighting among themselves. Then just walk away and leave them to it.

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The gender stuff is beyond the joke. It's funny how many in favour of standing up for women's rights can't even define what a woman is.  :palm:


--- Quote from: paulca on August 18, 2022, 08:56:53 am ---Honestly.  I thought my message was simply pointing out an in balance, but on another forum of mostly middle aged bikers, where I thought there might be support, I got called a fascist and the after the admin had called me names he locked the thread.  Then when I started a new thread to ask WT Heck? He did the same things again.

I sent him a Subject Eraser request with a catalogue of entries removed emailed to me as confirmation as they don't provide a "delete account" feature.  He is free to ask me for a reasonable admin fee.  I'm tempted to make his life hell over this and keep going back and asking for individiual entries with my name or a mention be removed also.  It might be fun, but I expect it's not worth it.

Anyway, I think I'll take the advice in here, I was starting to get the idea anyway.

SHUT UP.  It's not worth fighting it and saying anything does really present a risk, not just to your job!  Time to stay quiet for a while longer.  My gut feeling is there will be others behind me soon enough, including some women, who are not happy with wondering if they are a diversity hire or not.  Now is not the time.  Let it simmer for a while yet.

I do fear for the industry though.  I expect this simmering will go on too long.  Software industry is in deep troubles at the moment with over capacity and bottom end quality.  We don't need this right now.  We do need more women and more good people generally, but we do not need this at this time.

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You'll get called names. Don't take it personally. I got recently called names because I expressed concern over the high rates of immigration to the UK. Of course I don't have a problem with foreigners. I just think this country is full up, the current rate of population growth due to immigration is unsustainable and too many of those who've come here don't share our values of freedom and tolerance.

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 18, 2022, 09:14:19 am ---
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on August 18, 2022, 04:35:29 am ---Which tells you all you really need to know about his followers.
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Yes, let's define everyone a follower, because it is impossible for a human being to listen to contradictory opinions and make up their own minds.

Anyone who listens to people I do not like is an enemy, and that tells you all you really need to know about them.

Right?

:palm:
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Thanks for putting what I said above more succinctly. It's not as simple as X is all bad and Y is all good. For example, I agree with Trump on some things, yet he has said and done many foolish and reckless things.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: paulca on August 18, 2022, 08:45:46 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 07:00:09 am ---And these attacks are always in the one direction from extreme left to supposed right.

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It feels like someone connected a very, very left voltage source to that scale and while I thought I was slightly left of centre, I now find myself out on the right apparently.  They shifted the scale under me and now I feel a little unsafe.
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That's called a shift in the Overton Window, and it is a much analysed and discussed topic. People (like me) who considered themselves left (even far left in many regards) now find themsleves in the "centre", because the Overton Window has well and truly shifted to the left. But to the new extreme left you are now marked as a right wing nutjob, alt-right, or something to that effect. That's why the new left are eating themselves, with J.K.Rowing being a classic high profile example.

paulca:
On Peterson.  A lot of people watch the 5 minute click bait excerpts designed to trigger.  A lot of people take sound bites from him out of context.  A lot of what he says is very uncomfortable to discuss or even hear in some cases.

However if you look past the "viral meme" stuff and actually look at what he does as a clinical psychologist, he is pretty renowned in the field and does some really good work.

I came across this last night.  It's always been clear to me that Peterson suffers greatly within, he rarely shows it to the surface, but occasionally it does.

paulca:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 09:36:25 am ---That's called a shift in the Overton Window, and it is a much analysed and discussed topic. People (like me) who considered themselves left (even far left in many regards) now find themsleves in the "centre", because the Overton Window has well and truly shifted to the left. But to the new extreme left you are now marked as a right wing nutjob, alt-right, or something to that effect. That's why the new left are eating themselves, with J.K.Rowing being a classic high profile example.

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I can't remember who commented.  It might have been Peterson (of course), but while society has at least got some form of elastic limit on how far right it will go, certain periods in history aside and the always present risk of another real rise of the far right... they is still a common felt limit on the right.

The left however have not found that limit yet and they are hell bent on pushing and pushing and pushing.  I'd expect it's a lot of the younger idealistic generations, but I fear by the time they actually grow up and the world they pushed to be created starts to be handed over to the them, they start to actually be responsible for it... it won't be what they wanted it to be and I'll expect they'll hate it and they will also hate the next new generation coming along and tipping it all back over on it head again.

A friend put it to me as a pendulum.  Things swing back and forward, men have had their patriarchal times and now it's swung in the favour of women and minorities.  The problem is, when the pendulum is swing naturally with the flows of life it only swings so far, so when it swings back, it only swings so far.  At the moment however there is quite a large mass movement pushing the pendulum further and further to the point the whole grandfather clock is tilting precariously.  If, no, when the movement runs out of strength of an uprising happens against it, the momentum it will have swinging back the other way could see us exceed WWII's period of darkness.

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