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wraper:

--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on August 18, 2022, 04:35:29 am ---Oh yeah, this thread is going to go over well, I can smell it...  :popcorn:

Jordan Peterson, besides generally saying many words with little substance, is widely critiqued and discredited, especially for his association to the alt-right in recent years.  Which tells you all you really need to know about his followers.  Anyway, some salient points here:


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Criticized by woke media. He is not associated with alt-right which is another lie. Also far-left really like killing a character of anyone they do not like by naming them alt-right.

emece67:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 18, 2022, 10:54:27 am ---
--- Quote ---5) This is an electronics forum, so try to stay on-topic.
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This affects our workplace and livelihood.

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As the Ucrania-Russia war does. This is politics, period.


--- Quote ---If we cannot discuss this here, among other engineers, scientists and hobbyists with similar mindsets, we cannot discuss this anywhere anymore.
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We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.

sokoloff:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 18, 2022, 07:34:13 am ---The problem is, discrimination in the opposite direction, known as positive discrimination in the UK or affirmative action over the pond, is now making things worse. It results in unsuitable candidates being selected and a poorer quality workforce.
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I literally cannot think of a better way to undermine the perceived ability of a group (any group) and instill an inferiority complex/feelings of imposter syndrome than to openly declare and implement policies that lower the qualifying standards (by rule or in effect) for members of that group.

There has been, and continues to be, a substantial amount of inappropriate discrimination between and among groups of people. That should be eliminated, to be sure. Introducing inappropriate discrimination in an opposing direction is, at a minimum, inelegant, but I believe is just as fundamentally unsound on moral grounds as the previous/extant discrimination. Eliminating, not creating opposing, inappropriate discrimination should be the goal.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 11:38:52 am ---We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
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Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

Halcyon:
Whilst some people might find this topic "political", it seems to be quite relevant...

Electronics engineering seems to attract some diverse people, including those who are transgender, gender diverse or otherwise. For what reason and I don't know why, but there seems to be a higher proportion of people who have some kind of sexual or gender "quirk", have aspergers, ADHD, whatever.... compared to a lot of other industries.

Now, I guess I'm biased, in that I say this as a gay man myself, but... this whole focus on gender, sexual identity, etc... etc... is a load of shit. The flavour of the month at the moment seems to be people who have a vagina. Tomorrow, it'll be something else, because "society" says so, but society is fucking stupid. This is not to say that there aren't capable women, of course there are, but I have personally seen male candidates (of indiscriminate sexual orientation) overlooked for positions, simply because of their biological gender.

Who you are as a person should have absolutely zero bearing on whether you get a particular job or promotion. Whether you're male, female, gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, aboriginal, Vietnamese, Afro-american or any  other combination you can think of... none of that matters when it comes to being suited to a particular role or job.

Quotas don't work. Period. So why enforce them?

And before anyone starts... your personal views on religion have nothing to do with it either.

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