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ebastler:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 12:08:05 pm ---Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

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I beg to differ. Please look back over the last two pages of posts -- I did not see a single one which discussed engineering implications. This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.
emece67:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 12:08:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 11:38:52 am ---We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
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Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

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As I said before, the same happens with the Ucrania-Russia war, and also with Lehman brothers, the decisions made by governments against COVID, the decisions made (or not) by governments about climate change, US gun control, capitalism vs. socialism, rise of populism, and so on.

Simply, this is politics, but a question of politics that is of interest for some moderators here.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 12:28:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 12:08:05 pm ---Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

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I beg to differ. Please look back over the last two pages of posts -- I did not see a single one which discussed engineering implications. This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.

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--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 12:36:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 12:08:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 11:38:52 am ---We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
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Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

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As I said before, the same happens with the Ucrania-Russia war, and also with Lehman brothers, the decisions made by governments against COVID, the decisions made (or not) by governments about climate change, US gun control, capitalism vs. socialism, and so on.

Simply, this is politics, but a question of politics that is of interest for some moderators here.

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If you don't like it, then please keep out of this thread. No one is forcing you to participate.


--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 18, 2022, 12:20:59 pm ---Whilst some people might find this topic "political", it seems to be quite relevant...

Electronics engineering seems to attract some diverse people, including those who are transgender, gender diverse or otherwise. For what reason and I don't know why, but there seems to be a higher proportion of people who have some kind of sexual or gender "quirk", have aspergers, ADHD, whatever.... compared to a lot of other industries.

Now, I guess I'm biased, in that I say this as a gay man myself, but... this whole focus on gender, sexual identity, etc... etc... is a load of shit. The flavour of the month at the moment seems to be people who have a vagina. Tomorrow, it'll be something else, because "society" says so, but society is fucking stupid. This is not to say that there aren't capable women, of course there are, but I have personally seen male candidates (of indiscriminate sexual orientation) overlooked for positions, simply because of their biological gender.

Who you are as a person should have absolutely zero bearing on whether you get a particular job or promotion. Whether you're male, female, gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, aboriginal, Vietnamese, Afro-american or any  other combination you can think of... none of that matters when it comes to being suited to a particular role or job.

Quotas don't work. Period. So why enforce them?

And before anyone starts... your personal views on religion have nothing to do with it either.



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I agree.  Given the current trans craze, many people can no longer define the term woman. Do you know many people would consider you to be bigoted if you refuse to date a transman i.e. a biological female, who identifies as a man? It's absurd. And no, of course I know this doesn't apply to most trans people, just the rabid activists.


--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 18, 2022, 11:18:59 am ---If you think that we can just walk away from the issue, and let it blow over, than you are in for a surprise.
There is something called ESG credit score: https://esg.moodys.io/esg-credit It's a scoring system, where the S social and G Governance score is given based on your company's willingness to subscribe to these radical left ideas. I gave you a Moodys link, where they clearly state that they are incorporating this score into your company's credit rating. Black Rock and other huge institutions follow this.
What does this mean? If your company is not compliant, doesn't want equity over equality, doesn't want to implement CRT, or deals with other companies with low ESG score, you will not get funded. You will not get the necessary credits to expand, to grow, or to avoid a bankruptcy. As time goes on, there will be less and less companies surviving on the long term, who are not radical leftist.
Every single time, the radical left was left unchecked, millions of people died who disagreed, or were in the way.
So we cannot be complacent and leave them to just bark on their own turf. They are coming to your independent companies, and your movies and your social media posts and then they just cancel you. In their book it is not enough to not have an opinion about this. Why do you think companies are organizing brainwashing sessions about social justice?

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I've heard of that before. Again, it appears to be something started with good intentions. Historically companies have treated people and the environment badly, because it's often not profitable to act in an ethical manner and this was an attempt to rectify the situation. Unfortunately feature creep and extremism setting in are inevitable, due to human nature. It's not going to do any good. Companies will still treat their employees badly, just in a different way and they'll greenwash, in a bid to appear environmentally friendly.

We live in a global market though. What do other companies operating in countries where this woke rubbish has yet to catch on go?

There are still other sources of funding such as crowd and peer to peer, so there's still a way round it.

If I were in charge of a company and had to tick this box, I'd be fully transparent with the employees I thought it was a load of bollocks. I'd choose an online diversity course and tell them all the answers, then have a big session afterwards taking the piss out of it all.
paulca:

--- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 12:28:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 12:08:05 pm ---Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

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I beg to differ. Please look back over the last two pages of posts -- I did not see a single one which discussed engineering implications. This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.

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It's been running through it.

I am a 20 year + software engineer.   I am telling you the industry is reaching an all time low because it's being overstretched with demand and the Universities are not producing enough graduates.  We are picking from EVERYWHERE and ANYWHERE now.  We hire globally.  People don't need degrees, they don't even need a related qualification anymore, if they do a good interview and have "compatible values" we hire them.

The trouble with this is, it puts the senior engineers under more and more pressure trying to fill in gaps, bring people up to speed, rework peoples work, etc. etc. etc.

Those senior engineers, are predominantly male, because that is the legacy of the past 20, 30, 40 years for whatever reasons.

If those engineers start to feel uncomfortable in the new regime of social ostracization of them as people, they will leave.

This is already happening in other industries and professions.  People are just saying "No.  No More.  I am out.".

Experience is bleeding out of the industry, code complexity is sky rocketing, the younger graduates and juniors have roughly ZERO experience in the lower levels of platforms and systems and are absolutely helpless without the old timers and grey beards.

That is why this is relevant.  If people like myself consider a career change away from this toxic mess, the industry WILL fail.  Software related blackouts will run rampant.

Is THAT relevant enough?

EDIT:
I'm not the best engineer by far.  However I feel increasingly isolated and alone in my roles because the more I look around as I get older the less possible "mentors" I see in my peer group.  The more the business turn to me and that's rather worrying.  That I am now one of the seniors and the mentor.  I keep telling them to stop pushing me upwards, I don't want to go upwards, I want to become excellent where I am first.  But they are running out of senior people, so people are almost being forced to fail upwards.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 12:28:24 pm ---This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.
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How very decolonial of you.  Have you already tweeted how you voted to silence ugly white old middle-aged men griping about politically-motivated irrational unfairness affecting their professions?  You should.  I'm sure you'll get brownie rainbow points from your fellow ideolobots there.
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