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| ebastler:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 18, 2022, 12:51:21 pm --- --- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 12:28:24 pm ---This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread. --- End quote --- How very decolonial of you. Have you already tweeted how you voted to silence ugly white old middle-aged men griping about politically-motivated irrational unfairness affecting their professions? You should. I'm sure you'll get brownie rainbow points from your fellow ideolobots there. --- End quote --- Oh come on. I have no problem with middle-aged men, being one myself. (And on the upper end of the "middle aged" spectrum.) But I don't enjoy being inside an echo chamber full of us guys. I can develop my own biases and don't need a group to help me develop or reconfirm those. |
| paulca:
There is a fair amount of diversity here. We have already had comments to that effect. I'd honestly love to here the opinion of women engineers, there are some on here. I hope we aren't excluding them? Are we? |
| magic:
--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 12:36:54 pm ---Simply, this is politics, but a question of politics that is of interest for some moderators here. --- End quote --- It also appears to be of interest to the owner of this forum who set the rules in the first place. It's not really a political discussion when a few liberals pat each others' backs and lament the demise of liberalism together ;) It takes some, excuse the pun, diversity to turn a thread into trainwreck. Lastly, put your tinfoil hat on: you are witnessing the power structure maintaining itself. --- Quote from: paulca on August 18, 2022, 12:49:00 pm ---That is why this is relevant. If people like myself consider a career change away from this toxic mess, the industry WILL fail. Software related blackouts will run rampant. Is THAT relevant enough? --- End quote --- Speaking of Jordan Peterson, remember that those who looked back at the burning Sodom turned into stone ;) Software should have never been allowed that much importance in the first place. This Sci-Fi fad needs to die, the sooner the better. If you truly believe it, you will do what needs to be done. If you don't, people will see through your drama theater and ignore you. There is a long queue of volunteers to fill the space you'd leave. |
| Miyuki:
Yesterday I read an article about how bad gender income inequality is. And there was a "surprising" conclusion that females without children have roughly the same income as their male colleagues. In my experience, there is no discrimination in IT, EE, and other engineering jobs. The school experience will differ slightly, but it is so because girls are uncommon in some schools, that there can easily be ratios like 50-100:1 The only real difference I can see is mothers pushing their daughters to "girly stuff". This is a very open industry because it is created by diverse (mostly neurodiverse) creatures. I can clearly see it in myself, as an autistic weirdo with little interest in human contact. I naturally gravitate towards computers and electronics. Plenty of people there can openly present their quirks and even fetishes. Colleagues are open and "other" just thinks about us that we are that weird IT guys and Engineers. The same applies to most technical stuff. For example, female welders tend to be superior to their male colleagues. It makes sense, they do it because they are interested in it and like it, so it is their hobby. Whereas men do it because it is a "manly job". It will work the same in the opposite way for jobs that are naturally attractive for girls. |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 09:36:25 am --- --- Quote from: paulca on August 18, 2022, 08:45:46 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 07:00:09 am ---And these attacks are always in the one direction from extreme left to supposed right. --- End quote --- It feels like someone connected a very, very left voltage source to that scale and while I thought I was slightly left of centre, I now find myself out on the right apparently. They shifted the scale under me and now I feel a little unsafe. --- End quote --- That's called a shift in the Overton Window, and it is a much analysed and discussed topic. People (like me) who considered themselves left (even far left in many regards) now find themsleves in the "centre", because the Overton Window has well and truly shifted to the left. But to the new extreme left you are now marked as a right wing nutjob, alt-right, or something to that effect. That's why the new left are eating themselves, with J.K.Rowing being a classic high profile example. --- End quote --- Interesting concept this Window. I can see this being manipulated worldwide in different ways. I think there is actually a crisis, where the window for two population has shifted so radically, that there is very little overlap, and common ground left, that we can agree on. The other similar concept that I saw mentioned was called "Luxury beliefs". The concept is that rich/powerful people have the tendency to have different ideas about common things, just to differentiate themselves from the "downtrotten common". I think that most people are sensible, and don't subscribe extremist ideas, and this is advocated by a small, but very loud and powerful group of people. How can we have a discussion, if A party say: "I think we should treat everyone equally" and the reply to this from B is: "You are a colonist nazi". |
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