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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 18, 2022, 01:48:29 pm ---If someone from a diverse background came to us, and they were a qualified candidate, why would we turn them down?  Their skin colour, sexuality, gender, transition-or-not -- it doesn't matter.  The question is can they do the job?  And that's all there is.
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IME this is one of the great aspects of the engineering field. If it's engineers hiring engineers, then zero shits are given about anything other than competency to do the job. Enginneers are famously practical like  that :-+
I was interviewed by and hired for my first job by a female tech. Zero shits given about giving the job to another (rare) woman. She liked me and my attitude and hobby background, I'm hired, the end.
madires:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 18, 2022, 12:20:59 pm ---Quotas don't work. Period. So why enforce them?

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Exactly! Quotas are basically trying to force a group of people into a specific role, no matter if they like it or not. It's the wrong way! Simply ignore anything not related to qualifications and social skills, and hire the best candidate. You can try to encourage women to become engineers, but you should't force them. Today's quotas, wokeism, diversity and so on seems to be the lack of common sense. 20 years ago I worked in multinational teams with people from all over the world, women, people of color, gays, transgender, and any religion you can think of. We got the job done, and this is what matters. However, there are some issues which need to be addressed, e.g. equal pay for men and women, a topic top managements like to ignore while riding the diversity train.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 12:58:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 18, 2022, 12:51:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 12:28:24 pm ---This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.
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How very decolonial of you.  Have you already tweeted how you voted to silence ugly white old middle-aged men griping about politically-motivated irrational unfairness affecting their professions?  You should.  I'm sure you'll get brownie rainbow points from your fellow ideolobots there.

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Oh come on. I have no problem with middle-aged men, being one myself. (And on the upper end of the "middle aged" spectrum.) But I don't enjoy being inside an echo chamber full of us guys. I can develop my own biases and don't need a group to help me develop or reconfirm those.

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Why, then, do you insist on voting to lock this thread, i.e. silence everybody, when you could simply not read this thread?

Wouldn't it be more rational for you to do something else, instead of demanding voting to stop others talking?

You should take particular note that I am not demanding the closing of the identitarian leftie echo chambers like Twatter.  I just ridicule them.
I want everyone, even those whose opinions I completely disagree with, to be able to express themselves and their ideas freely.  Occasionally, when I'm up to it, I go there and listen for a while, because even if I disagree, I do want to know what they want to say.

Why is it that you have such a big problem with "middle-aged men" expressing themselves, even if you consider yourself one?  Self-hatred?
Zero999:

--- Quote from: KaneTW on August 18, 2022, 01:52:09 pm ---

--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 18, 2022, 12:20:59 pm ---
this whole focus on gender, sexual identity, etc... etc... is a load of shit.


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Yes, yes it is. It's infuriating especially since it's a fundamentally broken approach.

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Yes, I follow Big Clive and Fran on YouTube, not because they're gay and trans, but for the content, which centres around electronics, rather than homosexuality/transgenderism.


--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 01:55:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 18, 2022, 01:48:29 pm ---If someone from a diverse background came to us, and they were a qualified candidate, why would we turn them down?  Their skin colour, sexuality, gender, transition-or-not -- it doesn't matter.  The question is can they do the job?  And that's all there is.
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IME this is one of the great aspects of the engineering field. If it's engineers hiring engineers, then zero shits are given about anything other than competency to do the job. Enginneers are famously practical like  that :-+
I was interviewed by and hired for my first job by a female tech. Zero shits given about giving the job to another (rare) woman. She liked me and my attitude and hobby background, I'm hired, the end.

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It is true though that everyone is biased and it does play a role, but it would increase the likelihood of employing women. I'm pretty sure a straight man is more likely to employ a young woman, than man, because he finds her attractive. Heck, this could have even been a factor in you getting the job. If she found you attractive, it's more likely she would have given you the job. Of course I'm not saying, that's purely why you were offered it, but it's impossible not to dismiss it as being a factor. If you were a pretty woman, it might've even meant you were less likely to be hired by a female boss.

Obviously I'm not an advocate for unconscious bias training, which is not proven to work. Managers might as well send their engineers on dowsing/divining courses to fault find circuits by holding metal rods over the PCB, or a crystal pendulum over the schematic. Oh, I forgot, some people here believe dowsing works, so such an initiative might get some support: palm:

james_s:

--- Quote from: paulca on August 18, 2022, 08:45:46 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 07:00:09 am ---And these attacks are always in the one direction from extreme left to supposed right.

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It feels like someone connected a very, very left voltage source to that scale and while I thought I was slightly left of centre, I now find myself out on the right apparently.  They shifted the scale under me and now I feel a little unsafe.

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For most of my life I considered myself to be somewhere in the middle of the left, I don't think my position has changed very much over time, but the left has moved SO FAR to the left that now I'm probably somewhere slightly to the right of center. The whole identity politics thing simply doesn't make any sense to me, it has the appearance of absolute insanity. I was taught growing up that race is irrelevant and yet today much of the far left is absolutely obsessed with race and other immutable traits and they make a great many assumptions. I just don't even get it.  :-//
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