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ebastler:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 18, 2022, 05:32:09 pm ---Of course it does, because style and appearance is what defines your perception, not content.
To be honest, seeing how intolerant you are towards different opinions and viewpoints, I could not care any less of your perception of me.

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Only one of us is constantly resorting to personal attacks in this exchange. If that all the "content" you got, so be it.

james_s:

--- Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2022, 04:59:56 pm ---I have always perceived the moderation style to be a strength of this forum: Allowing all kinds of digressions, strong opinions, joking and teasing; but drawing a clear line at politics and religion. I found that policy to be valuable and important. It avoids discussions where fundamental differences of opinion lead to tensions between forum members which end up reaching beyond the specific thread.

Thank you, I'm fine. It's the discussion in this thread which I find cringeworthy. Suits the regular's table in a pub, but not this forum.

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Religion has very little relevance to engineering, I have never worked in a company where it was talked about openly or where the company itself took a particular stand. That is still one area where most people seem to be pretty tolerant of others with differing views, sure there are exceptions but at least in my own experience it isn't something that has come up often.

Politics on the other hand are relevant, they have infiltrated nearly every facet of life these days so it's hard to talk about much of anything without some form of politics creeping in. Many companies now are very openly taking a side and there are groups actively hunting down those with dissenting views and trying to silence them and this is what I find disturbing. I would be more than happy to check politics at the door and not even discuss it at work, but unfortunately for not wanting to talk about politics I get accused of being "privileged". Not expressing an opinion or not taking a side is often not an option anymore. I have had to sit through numerous useless DEI training sessions where I'm told that I'm inherently racist and biased and at times made to feel deeply uncomfortable and excluded in the name of "inclusivity" and I'm not even what would typically be called conservative much less right wing. Like most companies we have a whole DEI department, an entire department of people whose job is inherently political. We are pressured to put our "preferred pronouns" in our email signatures, a concept I find completely absurd and insane. I have seen colleagues openly attacked and berated in online communication tools for even joking about supporting a politician or view that is not far left. The company I work for, like many others has openly racist and sexist hiring policies and even questioning this is risky to one's career. I would love if politics were irrelevant but I have been dragged into it to the point that discussing politics in some way is virtually inescapable.

Personally I view this forum as very much the table of regulars at the local pub and that's one of the things I like about it.

tpowell1830:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 12:08:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 11:38:52 am ---We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
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Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.

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I understand that this is a thread about currently employed engineers, however, I am retired, retired in 2020 (didn't really want to at 66, but... reasons that I will skip). The company that I worked for was a very large aerospace company and the "woke" had already started oozing in everywhere. This was a group 80 engineers, working on a very large project. Being a senior design engineer, I was considered a greybeard (I even had one ;). There were at least 20% female engineers and I got along fine with them, however, there were a few that would push the agenda further and further, while management cowtowed. Many of the young female engineers would come and respectfully ask related engineering questions and I respectfully guided as I would with a male engineer. However, some of the seemingly "woke" young female engineers would act as if I was "acting patriarchael" and "mansplaining" and would say so. This is the responsibility of senior engineers to guide younger engineers toward understanding.. I did not understand this attitude (still don't).

At any rate, now that I am retired, I avoid interaction on social media (I have lots of time now...) because I don't want the headache. The fact that this is being allowed on this forum is NOT strictly political, but a place of open discussion and a place where a misconstrued meaning or a statement or word that is not allowed in open forums is not piled on by people who disagree with by name calling and shushing all over the place.

As Eevblog (Dave) said in his post, (and I am loosely paraphrasing) this is a place of safety for engineers, who are known to be outspoken when it comes to reality and scientific truth. I applaud Eevblog for allowing a little bit of pressure relief from engineers.

As far as women in the workforce, I have never been against it as long as merit is the prime mover. Engineering is a discipline and, often, people's lives are at stake from utilizing the product of engineers. The minute that there are quotas and other political factors that force hiring on immutable characteristics, such as gender or skin color, the industry as well as the entire world will suffer.

Ok, now you can pile on to all of the things that I said that was not politically correct...  :popcorn:

nctnico:
@tpowell1830: In my experience working with other people, it doesn't always work out right out of the box due to personal and cultural differences. A good conversation usually clears the air unless one of the parties is convinced the others are after him/her.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: james_s on August 18, 2022, 05:59:01 pm ---Politics on the other hand are relevant, they have infiltrated nearly every facet of life these days so it's hard to talk about much of anything without some form of politics creeping in. Many companies now are very openly taking a side and there are groups actively hunting down those with dissenting views and trying to silence them and this is what I find disturbing. (...)

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Indeed. That has become a real problem for employees who do not adhere to those new company policies.
If you can't stand it, you really have no choice except resign.

There's already been a trend for kinda "massive" resignation (the "Great Resignation :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Resignation ), and those invading new policies are likely to trigger more resignations.

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