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james_s:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 18, 2022, 06:07:02 pm ---Indeed. That has become a real problem for employees who do not adhere to those new company policies.
If you can't stand it, you really have no choice except resign.

There's already been a trend for kinda "massive" resignation (the "Great Resignation :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Resignation ), and those invading new policies are likely to trigger more resignations.

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I am quite adept at the art of not giving a shit. I can smile, nod and go through the motions while quietly rolling my eyes at the time wasted in all the various mandatory training sessions and the bullshit the presenters spew forth. Studies have confirmed what I have long seen as obvious, these training sessions are not effective and if anything they breed resentment. The only people who take them seriously are the rabid activists that have already drank the kool-aid, everyone else knows they're a waste of time.

emece67:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 18, 2022, 04:33:40 pm ---Knowing that someone else has different opinions or values than you do must be physically painful to you, seeing how much effort you are putting into silencing them.

I remind you, I'm happy to listen to what everyone has to say, as long as they use their own words and not someone elses.
It is you, T3sl4co1l, and emece67 that are demanding this thread be locked, because you do not want dissenting opinions or views to exist, and especially not written out anywhere on the internet.  Instead of ignoring the thread, you're spending an awful lot of effort to try and lock/cancel it.  Why?

Do you not see the irony here either?  That it is exactly the widespread behaviour you exhibit right now, that we are complaining about?

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You do not know what my opinion about gender politics is, so you do not know if we're dissenting or not about them. And I have listened before to many political opinions (from all cardinal directions) much more radical than the ones on this thread, so there is no problem for me digesting them again.

What I do not like at all is that politics has been a topic that, on this forum, has not been allowed to last for much time, and threads have been closed and people have been banned for expressing their political opinions (what seems OK to me). But this time, where (according to you) there are only 2 people saying than this is not appropriate, and the other seem, more or less, to agree condemning some political positions, there's an agreement on that this thread is all OK. Sorry, I do not buy that.

So there are, on this thread, opinions "not written out anywhere on the internet" sure?  :-DD I am listening/reading opinions like these everyday, maybe you are not visiting the more appropriate sites (which is exactly my complaint, this is not the appropriate site). Sorry but to me smells as victimism.

My "awful lot of effort" on this thread is less than yours, in number of messages and I bet that also in words. And I bet that it is also less than the efforts from the OP and the forum owner, for example. The other person (according to you) "demanding this thread to be locked" has posted a single message. So there are (6 + 1) messages against 88, and such 7 messages are an "awful lot of effort", c'mon…

Maybe if Dave changes the forum rules from "religion, politics, gun and conspiracy theories. They are not welcome here." adding "except if such opinions agree with mine or with those of a selected group of members", I would not be belligerent at all.

daqq:
I view diversity is an acceptable outcome, not an reasonable goal. When it becomes a goal, the situations it produces become absurd as can be seen in the world today. The people pushing for it as a goal are generally hypocritical to the extreme, spouting about discrimination, when all they do is treat people differently based on their race, gender and other arbitrary metrics.

If a company goes down this path, preferring ticking a box to actual suitability for the position update your CV. Best outcome: they find out that it's not worth it and stop with the bollocks.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: james_s on August 18, 2022, 06:12:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 18, 2022, 06:07:02 pm ---Indeed. That has become a real problem for employees who do not adhere to those new company policies.
If you can't stand it, you really have no choice except resign.

There's already been a trend for kinda "massive" resignation (the "Great Resignation :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Resignation ), and those invading new policies are likely to trigger more resignations.

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I am quite adept at the art of not giving a shit. (...)

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That is good. Not everyone manages that. Have you read this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subtle_Art_of_Not_Giving_a_Fuck

james_s:

--- Quote from: emece67 on August 18, 2022, 07:05:43 pm ---What I do not like at all is that politics has been a topic that, on this forum, has not been allowed to last for much time, and threads have been closed and people have been banned for expressing their political opinions (what seems OK to me). But this time, where (according to you) there are only 2 people saying than this is not appropriate, and the other seem, more or less, to agree condemning some political positions, there's an agreement on that this thread is all OK. Sorry, I do not buy that.


Maybe if Dave changes the forum rules from "religion, politics, gun and conspiracy theories. They are not welcome here." adding "except if such opinions agree with mine or with those of a selected group of members", I would not be belligerent at all.

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I don't see anybody directly attacking anyone else, things are remaining fairly civil. I'm not going to comment on your political views because I don't know and frankly I don't care, but I can see how some might make assumptions based on the way you are responding. Nobody is attacking you, however perhaps you feel attacked because you identify personally with some of the views that are being attacked? Nobody is forcing you to participate, if you find this thread not to be interesting then you are free to leave at any time, there are lots of other threads in the forum you might find more to your liking. If you want to stick around and share your thoughts then feel free, but don't try to dictate that everyone else must be silenced.

You are overlooking the most important rule of all and that is that this is Dave's sandbox and he runs the show. He sets the rules and he and those he delegates moderation duties to can arbitrarily decide what to allow and what not to, this rule supersedes all other rules that are in place. If he wants to allow a thread on a normally forbidden topic or lock a thread on something that is not explicitly against the rules he is within his rights to do that, however I have found the moderation to be more fair and reasonable here than on any other forum I have been on. Personally I see this particular political thread as something that is quite relevant to the field of engineering, especially for those of us in corporate jobs. That is not the case for a lot of political topics but it is for this.

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